Cassie63 wrote:

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Victoria is renaming 15 schools to align with First Nations community more woke madness.

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deverall11 wrote:

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Schools, towns you name it they all carry an reference to somewhere in the UK. We now want
to rename those to a native Australian name and the Anglo Saxons are up in arms.
Moot point really.

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deverall11 wrote:

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Schools, towns you name it they all carry an reference to somewhere in the UK. We now want
to rename those to a native Australian name and the Anglo Saxons are up in arms.
Moot point really.

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 Yeah, right. You'd have to be joking? Historically, and logically, the winners in any war or invasion make the rules. 
Here we have a claimed (it will be less) 3.8% of the population endeavouring to tell the other 96.2% of the population what the rules will be.                                                                                                                                                                                      For fear of breaking forum rules I will say no more, but we, the silent majority, must, at some stage, stop being silent while being walked all over.

The "woke" madness is now beyond funny. This will be my only comment here. No Cheers. Nothing to be happy about.

 

Izabarack wrote:

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Reverting to names associated with the original owners of the location is having a positive effect on Community Building where I live. The accptance of appropriate names for places and features only appers to upset the few remaining dinosaurs trying to continue the argument that colonisation was a good thing for our original peoples. My 8 year old Great Granddaughter is part of a school project actively gathering suggestions for the rename of her school. Plenty of support arriving at their Information Stand at the local markets on a Saturday morning.


My own success at having a road and a nearby Conservation Reserve renamed has resulted in a 200% increase in the number of volunteers at the BushCare program I lead.


The early colonists efforts to suck up to the English crown are little more that a speed bump in the maturation of the nation as we head towards getting rid of the rubbish of recent history in Australia. I'm looking forward to getting rid of the offensive reminder of English invasion of Aust that is displayed in the corner of the current Australian flag. Woke has F all to do with it, Inclusion is a far better goal than whinging about change.

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i must be one of the dinosaurs you refer to i recently had to try an explain to one of my great granddaughters why some kids at school got to go on a bus to a fun day an came back with lots of goodies sponsored by nadioc? as most of the kids going on the bus were whiter than her. i think that starts to instill a feeling of them and us at a very young age

all these aboriginal names that are written down were did they come from

Dead right yobarr.

This is getting really difficult and I am very reluctant to even mention the issue as so many in my community now are.
I live in a very highly populated indigenous community (born here, gone away, returned).
Over many years I have played various sports with my indigenous friends and have made many long lasting and loyal mateships from it.
I even recall playing touch footy many decades ago against a skinny kid called Warren Mundine.
Sadly now that kid has considered taking his own life twice recently due to the massive amount of abuse he is receiving for his personal views on his own people.
Many of us in our community are plain scared to make even the slightest mention now of any issues surrounding this wave of change.
As can been seen on this thread, these issues are driving a wedge between people in our community.
Our local community have got along fine for decades, but now there is an awful undercurrent being orchestrated from elsewhere by "creamies" and "pop ups" as the real local aboriginal people call them that is affecting our long term trusting relationships and now nobody says anything because they do not know their friends viewpoints on this stuff?
It is awful and has the potential to become significantly worse.
I know so many people from this walk of life and they are funny, caring, brilliant sportspeople, insightful people with warmth and I have a client of whom I waltzed through professionally to become one of the most successful indigenous business people in the country. I have since retired and he has moved on to bigger (and more expensive providers) but our trusting relationship will survive the test of time forever and I consider him a wonderful bloke who has done so much successfully for his own people.
A mate of me rang two days ago with an awful story that drove a wedge between he and a (former) mate.
I mentioned to him, do these people ACTUALLY know any indigenous people personally? (As we do, and understand the issues we all face together?).
He was on a sports trip and one of the fellas he was sharing opened up with - anybody that votes _ _ in this coming referendum is a moron and must have no brains whatsoever.
My mate had a completely different view and it blew up into a slanging match. He said it ended very distastefully and he was abused throughout.
Why?
Why, because this has been thrust upon us and it is creating a division, that in time could split our great country in half.
I too a few months ago had to curtail a conversation after about 3 minutes over dinner with a very good friend from Canberra because the argument was heading down the drain and our friendship could well have ended there and then. I had the impression she was so filled up with propaganda and not speaking from exposure to day to day issues and personal experience that the conversation was never going to end with any sort of reasonable compromise.
Our misguided government is making us make a decision on one side of the fence or the other and they are way too dumb to realise the division this will orchestrate.
I don't think a lot of this change has been thought through and to me it seems to be coming from the city borne elements and not from the bush where people seem to be far more practical and have found a way to co-exist with no bad blood.
I think this wave of change is too quick and needs to slow down, all take a long breath and get it right. With so much division it appears that is not the case at present.
The area from which I come has a new name too.
It has been referred to by several new names, The North Pole, Alaska etc - the ICE capital. Which is rife in our local indigenous community but so little is done.
There are more pressing initiatives that need to be tackled before any superficial alterations to place names, constitutions etc.
I was VERY reluctant to express any sort of view on these issues but they are smouldering and causing great division where I, and many others do not believe it needs to be so.
We seem to be being driven by some self-appointed so called leaders in this regard with very little insight or practicality and good 'ol common sense.

dogbox wrote:

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Izabarack wrote:

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Reverting to names associated with the original owners of the location is having a positive effect on Community Building where I live. The accptance of appropriate names for places and features only appers to upset the few remaining dinosaurs trying to continue the argument that colonisation was a good thing for our original peoples. My 8 year old Great Granddaughter is part of a school project actively gathering suggestions for the rename of her school. Plenty of support arriving at their Information Stand at the local markets on a Saturday morning.


My own success at having a road and a nearby Conservation Reserve renamed has resulted in a 200% increase in the number of volunteers at the BushCare program I lead.


The early colonists efforts to suck up to the English crown are little more that a speed bump in the maturation of the nation as we head towards getting rid of the rubbish of recent history in Australia. I'm looking forward to getting rid of the offensive reminder of English invasion of Aust that is displayed in the corner of the current Australian flag. Woke has F all to do with it, Inclusion is a far better goal than whinging about change.

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i wonder who the Aboriginals would be talking to now if it was not for British colonization?

anyone who thinks that this large mineral rich country, would have been left in it's pre British colonization state should stop playing with them selves.
imagine the British landed on one side the Dutch on the other Indonesians on the top French, Russians, Chinese, Germans , Japanese all staking claim to a piece of the pie when they stopped fighting over the prize i think the aboriginals would have been nothing more than collateral damage and this country would have been divided up like Europe with constant waring between the factions

i think this country is very lucky it was the British that decided to dump it's convicts here an settle this country under one flag not a couple of dozen flags from a number of different countries, all the counties mentioned with the exception of Japan had sailors/explorers land here prior to
the British setting up camp

if not for the British worts and all maybe we would not be having this discussion.

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Very well put and undeniably true dogbox 

Not only is Vic doing this stupidity Qld is doing the same Fraser Island has been given a name change. I couldnt give a flying @#*^ it will always be Fraser Island.

All this crap is going too far FFS, just leave it alone.

If you dont like colonisation stop taking the money that it provides

Cassie63 wrote:

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If you dont like colonisation stop taking the money that it provides

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 As much as I don't like racism, and having an indigenous daughter,, whom doesn't take from the state, she says we are all equal, and no one race is entitiled to more than another race, so I agree with this statement Cassie but probably don't agree with your generalised views 

rmoor wrote:

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The Bob Hawke treaty in it's planning stages had $12.50 weekly rent tax in it.
That is the one to worry about into the future.
The possibility of a 1% "On Land Tax" like in Canada is a likely long term possibility.
Imagine the revenue gained from 1% on top of the GST added to all goods and services.
I think it is getting to the stage where we all get a DNA test done and go back into the annals of ancestry????
If you can't beat 'em join 'em and just pray there is a long lost great great granny in there somewhere!!!!

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 Although I said earlier that I would contribute no more to this thread, the positive responses to my post, and posts from others, have changed my mind!

In reply to the highlighted parts of Ronald's post above I say "Fantastic idea".Then we all could bleat and moan about imaginary hurts, and demand huge amounts of "compensation". 

Funny how huge amounts of money seem to ease the "pain".

Friend's wife paid somebody to research her family history and found that she has 4% indigenous blood. 

He was pleased to learn that! No Cheers

 

rmoor wrote:

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The Bob Hawke treaty in it's planning stages had $12.50 weekly rent tax in it.

That is the one to worry about into the future.

The possibility of a 1% "On Land Tax" like in Canada is a likely long term possibility.

Imagine the revenue gained from 1% on top of the GST added to all goods and services.

I think it is getting to the stage where we all get a DNA test done and go back into the annals of ancestry????

If you can't beat 'em join 'em and just pray there is a long lost great great granny in there somewhere!!!!

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as defined by Wikipedia
A treaty is normally negotiated between plenipotentiaries provided by their respective governments with the full power to conclude a treaty within the scope of their instructions.

which two or more governments could be involved in negotiations for any treaty in Australia?

Uluru didn't have a name before it became Ayer's Rock. It was subsequently named after Paddy Uluru who was an aboriginal activist, at least by some accounts.

Cassie63 wrote:

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If you dont like colonisation stop taking the money that it provides

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 x2 and every penny is willingly taken, a bit like animal activists turning up to court in leather belts and shoes.