Medicare Problems Sorted. Yeah, right.

yobarr · Guru

Medicare Problems Sorted. Yeah, right.

Mein · Senior Member

Or, we could adopt the practice of the peoples of many, many other countries and accept responsibility for taking care of our elderly relatives, ourselves.

dogbox · Guru

what about all the people, who thought that because they paid taxes they were entitled to be looked after when the got to the GOLDEN years. will they be disappointed if they have to contribute to their aged care?

sorry i thought this was in the joke section. you have not given credit to the author

deverall11 · Guru

Mein wrote:
Or, we could adopt the practice of the peoples of many, many other countries and accept responsibility for taking care of our elderly relatives, ourselves.

X2. Always at the ready to criticise but never there to contribute constructive ideas or

most importantly take responsibility and stop expecting handouts.

dorian · Guru

Mein wrote:
Or, we could adopt the practice of the peoples of many, many other countries and accept responsibility for taking care of our elderly relatives, ourselves.

I used to think that way, and I still do, but there is a big downside. In my case, I'm caring for my elderly mother who is destined to live well into her late 90s. By the time she passes away, my golden years will have been spent looking after her, and all I will have left will be the dregs of an already miserable life. The irony is that there will be no-one to look after me, not that I would want that. When I lose my independence, I intend to end my life. Hopefully the euthanasia laws will facilitate this.

Whenarewethere · Guru

It is a whole of system problem, & not just the medical aspect. Other half has heath issues costing the State a fortune.

But I look after her & do not claim any carer allowances.

But then I don't work either so not contributing anything to the system.

Also do a lot of work on our block of units all the way down to the most menial task of putting bins out. No help from the renters in the building who creating most of the rubbish.

Because I can walk for other half I can save $58 per week in parking fees.

Also in spare time each week collect cans for neighbour's club's charity which donates $5k a year to various charities.

The system as a whole has multiple swings & roundabouts.

There is nobody to look after me when my health fails, so probably the best option is carbon monoxide pointing.

dogbox · Guru

in the end the ones who contributed the most will get the least as they will in most cases not get any government assistance unless they pay for it themselves!

aged care that is something to look forward to.

Plain Truth · Guru

dorian wrote:
Mein wrote:
Or, we could adopt the practice of the peoples of many, many other countries and accept responsibility for taking care of our elderly relatives, ourselves.
I used to think that way, and I still do, but there is a big downside. In my case, I'm caring for my elderly mother who is destined to live well into her late 90s. By the time she passes away, my golden years will have been spent looking after her, and all I will have left will be the dregs of an already miserable life. The irony is that there will be no-one to look after me, not that I would want that. When I lose my independence, I intend to end my life. Hopefully the euthanasia laws will facilitate this.
Dorian,don't you have any siblings to help share the load?

dorian · Guru

Home Care is a big help to those who want to live out their final days in their own home. My mother receives lots of services in this regard.

One really good service is subsidised, home delivered meals. A typical lunch pack costs $3 after subsidy.

Home Care will provide cleaning services, gardening, washing, cooking. They will also take their clients to the shops, doctor's appointments, etc.

If you need a special chair, bed, shower, toilet, these can be provided as part of the package.

I have a brother who helps as much as he can, but he is not close by. My sister died at a young age. I looked after her during her final months.

I lost my father recently after prolonged suffering. I don't wish to go out in the same way that he did.

Whenarewethere · Guru

I have siblings, but they already have health issues & looking after their branch of their extended family.

So can't see that as being an option due to their time issues. I'm the oldest of the siblings.

I looked after my parents for years, stopped (paid) working for years as I was the only one without kids.

Pretty much where we are all heading:

Whenarewethere · Guru

Sorry, double post.

-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Wednesday 9th of August 2023 11:04:56 AM

Whenarewethere · Guru

Our Mum died at home, we feel so privileged that we could have this situation, but in 2004 is was costing us $7000 per week for the services, & even then a fair percentage was cash in hand to same workers to save us money & them tax.

My Sister was an ex nurse so the system as a whole trusted her.

You basically need bottomless pockets & skills in the industry & a seriously good family GP.

Whenarewethere · Guru

If the patient is in a bed for any length of time get an Alternating Pressure Mattress. Every third row of air cells gently massages the body pushing blood back up the body.

Our Mum quite frankly should have died from bedsores, she did not have a single one.

Prevention of bedsores solves a multitude of another level of problems.

Or similar products:

https://www.aidacare.com.au/products/bedroom/mattresses/pressure-care-alternating-air-mattresses/

Whenarewethere · Guru

Will also add, we helped 90+ year old neighbour. We would get a call from her daughter who lived in the Blue Mountains & it would take too long to drive to Manly.

We had a key so could get in, often doing toilet personal care. Actually a couple of neighbours to various degrees.

Our neighbour was always grateful. Her husband died a few years earlier.

She started working at 14 which was very typical for that age group, working her entire life until retirement.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Current history, the previous neighbour had died.

Now there is a new neighbour for the last few years, also she has a new list of health issues dramatically increasing recently & now using a walking frame.

We haven't had to help as such yet, other than a few very mirror non personal care issues.

But I can see the day when her daughter phones from Dubbo, can you pop around to help. Hopefully I don't need a walking frame to get there, but I do have one in the attic... plus shower chair, commode etc!

The end of the conveyor belt is well within view!

landy · Guru

dogbox wrote:

in the end the ones who contributed the most will get the least as they will in most cases not get any government assistance unless they pay for it themselves!

aged care that is something to look forward to.

Aint that the truth

yobarr · Guru

landy wrote:
dogbox wrote:
in the end the ones who contributed the most will get the least as they will in most cases not get any government assistance unless they pay for it themselves!

aged care that is something to look forward to.
Aint that the truth

Some home truths? Cheers

Whenarewethere · Guru

yobarr wrote:

Irony:
1. We are told to NOT judge Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
2. We constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
3. Welfare Services is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free money ever. Meanwhile, the Parks Branch, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." The stated reason for this policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on hand-outs and will not learn to take care of themselves."
Here endeth today's lesson on Irony...

Not to forget that the superannuation tax breaks (benifits for the suffering wealthy) have more value than simply giving everyone a common pension.

deverall11 · Guru

Whenarewethere wrote:
yobarr wrote:

.....

Not to forget that the superannuation tax breaks (benifits for the suffering wealthy) have more value than simply giving everyone a common pension.

Simple, stop voting for the wrong crowd.

Who brought Medicare to the Australian people

Who brought compulsory super to the Australian people

Who brought NDIS to the Australian people

But to name a few...

Cuppa · Guru

yobarr wrote:

Irony:
1. We are told to NOT judge Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
2. We constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
3. Welfare Services is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free money ever. Meanwhile, the Parks Branch, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." The stated reason for this policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on hand-outs and will not learn to take care of themselves."
Here endeth today's lesson on Irony...

The irony of course is that most of this is untrue. But don't let that stop anyone spreading such nonsense to suit their agenda. An agenda of doing nothing more than sowing discord at the expense of others. It is a blatant attempt at otherising/othering.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-othering-5084425
- We are not encouraged to judge all gun owners
- We do not constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money
- 'Welfare' is for folk who need it & many who need it need it because of the circumstances they find themselves due to many legitimate reasons, not the snidey dig which seeks to label all welfare recipients as bludgers.
- Feeding animals in parks or zoos is discouraged because of the inappropriate diet the animals inevitably get. The commentary once again is nothing more than a disparaging remark which seeks to disenfranchise welfare recipients.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 10th of August 2023 10:06:25 AM

dorian · Guru

yobarr wrote:
Some home truths? Cheers

@yobarr, why do you insist on "bannerising" everything? Why can't you say what you want to say using plain text? Why do you think that an opinion is more important when the words are in pictures?

dogbox · Guru

dorian wrote:

yobarr wrote:
Some home truths? Cheers

@yobarr, why do you insist on "bannerising" everything? Why can't you say what you want to say using plain text? Why do you think that an opinion is more important when the words are in pictures?

some of us simple folk understand the pictures better than the written words

dogbox · Guru

Whenarewethere wrote:

yobarr wrote:

Irony:
1. We are told to NOT judge Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
2. We constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
3. Welfare Services is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free money ever. Meanwhile, the Parks Branch, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." The stated reason for this policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on hand-outs and will not learn to take care of themselves."
Here endeth today's lesson on Irony...

Not to forget that the superannuation tax breaks (benifits for the suffering wealthy) have more value than simply giving everyone a common pension.

the superannuation breaks for the suffering wealthy, means people with a bit of get up an go, do not draw anything out of the common pension fund (tax payer money) an to get any benefit from tax breaks one must be paying a decent bit of tax to start with.

dogbox · Guru

Cuppa wrote:

yobarr wrote:

Irony:
1. We are told to NOT judge Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
2. We constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
3. Welfare Services is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free money ever. Meanwhile, the Parks Branch, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." The stated reason for this policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on hand-outs and will not learn to take care of themselves."
Here endeth today's lesson on Irony...

The irony of course is that most of this is untrue. But don't let that stop anyone spreading such nonsense to suit their agenda. An agenda of doing nothing more than sowing discord at the expense of others. It is a blatant attempt at otherising/othering.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-othering-5084425
- We are not encouraged to judge all gun owners
- We do not constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money
- 'Welfare' is for folk who need it & many who need it need it because of the circumstances they find themselves due to many legitimate reasons, not the snidey dig which seeks to label all welfare recipients as bludgers.
- Feeding animals in parks or zoos is discouraged because of the inappropriate diet the animals inevitably get. The commentary once again is nothing more than a disparaging remark which seeks to disenfranchise welfare recipients.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 10th of August 2023 10:06:25 AM

i do not see where or why you would say that the statements posted are lies or untruths, they are simple broad statements

yobarr · Guru

dogbox wrote:
Cuppa wrote:

yobarr wrote:

Irony:

1. We are told to NOT judge Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.

2. We constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.

3. Welfare Services is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free money ever. Meanwhile, the Parks Branch, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." The stated reason for this policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on hand-outs and will not learn to take care of themselves."

Here endeth today's lesson on Irony...

The irony of course is that most of this is untrue. But don't let that stop anyone spreading such nonsense to suit their agenda. An agenda of doing nothing more than sowing discord at the expense of others. It is a blatant attempt at otherising/othering.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-othering-5084425

- We are not encouraged to judge all gun owners

- We do not constantly hear about how the Old Age Pension Plan is going to run out of money

- 'Welfare' is for folk who need it & many who need it need it because of the circumstances they find themselves due to many legitimate reasons, not the snidey dig which seeks to label all welfare recipients as bludgers.

- Feeding animals in parks or zoos is discouraged because of the inappropriate diet the animals inevitably get. The commentary once again is nothing more than a disparaging remark which seeks to disenfranchise welfare recipients.

i do not see where or why you would say that the statements posted are lies or untruths, they are simple broad statements

You are, of course, quite right with this assertion. Sometimes tge truth ruffles tge feathers of a few sensitive souls.

Simple truth is that the welfare system is rorted by so many.

Certainly welfare is needed to help the needy, but much of this money goes to the greedy and those who see it as a 'right' they 'deserve' to support their lazy, non-productive lifestyle.

Single mothers with 4 children, sired by 4 different men, living in Govt housing.

Disability support pension is a laugh, in many cases, with perfectly capable recipients working as labourers for 'under the table, payments. Two big, strong men who weaselled their way onto such a pension bought a small truck and necessary equipment to become 'piano removalists', and do quite well tgankyou, but 'cash only'.

The list goes on, and could easily fill a page, but those of us who do understand need no more info, while indesputable proof still would not change the view of the deniers. Sad but true. Cheers

yobarr · Guru

dogbox wrote:
dorian wrote:

yobarr wrote:

Some home truths? Cheers

@yobarr, why do you insist on "bannerising" everything? Why can't you say what you want to say using plain text? Why do you think that an opinion is more important when the words are in pictures?

some of us simple folk understand the pictures better than the written words

Of course! Who hasn't heard, and understood, that 'A picture is worth 1000 words'?

Of course I could mess around re-writing what is on my pictures, but why bother?

Certainly not to please any sensitive soul. Spare me!

dorian · Guru

yobarr wrote:
dogbox wrote:
dorian wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Some home truths? Cheers

@yobarr, why do you insist on "bannerising" everything? Why can't you say what you want to say using plain text? Why do you think that an opinion is more important when the words are in pictures?

some of us simple folk understand the pictures better than the written words
Of course! Who hasn't heard, and understood, that 'A picture is worth 1000 words'?
Of course I could mess around re-writing what is on my pictures, but why bother?
Certainly not to please any sensitive soul. Spare me!

A picture of 10 words is worth exactly 10 words.

As for dogbox, he was being ironic. Think about it. (At least I think he was, otherwise he's making no sense.)

Cuppa · Guru

Re. ruffling the feathers of sensitive souls etc.

1. Your claims to truth are dodgy to say the least
2. The arrogance of referring to folk who do not see the world as you do as sensitive souls, sheep etc is regular &tedious. Just more otherising.
3 your 'simple truth' is indeed simple, but it is not the truth.
4.Your claim of indisputable truth is far from either indisputable or truth. If you must make such silly claims, back them up if you can.
5. Of course the welfare system is rorted by some, but it is needed & used by many more. Design a system which helps those who need it which is not open to abuse by those who would
do so if you can.The alternative is to have no welfare safety net. Pointing fingers at women with 4 children & no partner is ignorant & sexist..
6. I'm sure your list could go on on & fill many pages, but if it's more of the same 'indisputable truths' it would simply be to make you feel more certain in your beliefs but a complete
waste of time for all those who apply even the smallest amount of analysis to their thought process.

I'm just letting of steam, having become tired of your constant arrogant otherising, & narrow thought processes presented to all as if you are somehow superior & cleverer in your way of seeing the world. I don't expect for a moment that you will consider anything other than how to make a comeback, either in your mind or in a post.

Anyway, your broad statements & finger pointing do not warrant anything more than my disdain, so I won't respond further.
I don't wish to engage in argument that I cannot see is likely to be even slightly productive.
I'm sure there are folk who read your otherising posts who are hurt by them, & it is only for those folk I'm taking the time to call out the poisonous attitudes you post here, to let them know that not all of us here consider them to be lesser folk.

I do however suggest you read the link (othering) I posted earlier. It describes much of what you regularly post to a tee, which is sad really as I'm sure there is a side to you I've seen which is likeable.