Fuel supply/ shortages

Dick0 · Guru

RE: Fuel supply/ shortages

Plain Truth · Guru

Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.
The Israeli constitution allows any Jews anwhere, to live in Israel. The influx since 1948 has been enormous and you don't have to be an Einstein to know what they have done to fix the problem. First was the annexing of the Golan Heights. The pretext for this was a supposed attack from Syria.
Since then there has been a continuing gradual takeover of Palestinian land to accomodate the growing number of settlers. It appears to me that the advance by the IDF into Lebanon has a twofold aim, one is to crush Hezbollah and the other?, yep more territory. Time will prove that right or wrong.The actions of the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas are deplorable and I condemn them, but I can understand why they came into being.
Putin thought that an invasion of Ukraine would take a few weeks. The Donald figured that Iran would be easy. Some people have never learned anything from History, maybe they think that it does not apply to them?
Footnote.
On the 22nd July, 1946 the King David hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by the militant terrorist Zionist organisation, Irgun which resulted in the deaths of 91 people and 46 injured. The hotel housed, among others,the offices of the British armed forces in Palestine.

Israel has had 42 Kings,before they had Kings they had 12 judges.

How many Kings or Rulers has Palestine had.

The Jewish State has been recognised by many nations

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Are We Lost · Guru

Interesting Plain Truth. I searched for United Kingdom in the list. Not there. Checking further the UK abstained.

So much for the earlier "facts are facts".

Magnarc · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.

As you said in a subsequent post, "facts are facts" and what you have posted there are not facts. So much misinformation.
It was actually the UN that formalised the creation of separate states in 1948 after Britain relinquished control. So, it was actually many countries that approved of the plan that had first been proposed in the 18th century. The neigbouring countries were consulted and objected, but the UN proceeded over those objections.

If the Brits had not relinquished control the UN could not have created it. I stand by what I wrote. In the light of your views in expressed in other places, your post was not unexpected. The fact that many countries agreed, is extraneous to the debate, since it wasn''t their decision to make. However I accept your right to your opinion. who is is right or wrong, will be for others to determine.

PS. I fail to see what past Kings and Judges have to do with the present situation Plain Truth???

-- Edited by Magnarc on Tuesday 21st of April 2026 04:58:03 PM

Plain Truth · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
Interesting Plain Truth. I searched for United Kingdom in the list. Not there. Checking further the UK abstained.

So much for the earlier "facts are facts".

FACTS

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Tuesday 21st of April 2026 05:05:19 PM

Plain Truth · Guru

Magnarc wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.

As you said in a subsequent post, "facts are facts" and what you have posted there are not facts. So much misinformation.
It was actually the UN that formalised the creation of separate states in 1948 after Britain relinquished control. So, it was actually many countries that approved of the plan that had first been proposed in the 18th century. The neigbouring countries were consulted and objected, but the UN proceeded over those objections.

If the Brits had not relinquished control the UN could not have created it. I stand by what I wrote. In the light of your views in expressed in other places, your post was not unexpected. The fact that many countries agreed, is extraneous to the debate, since it wasn''t their decision to make. However I accept your right to your opinion. who is is right or wrong, will be for others to determine.
PS. I fail to see what past Kings and Judges have to do with the present situation Plain Truth???

-- Edited by Magnarc on Tuesday 21st of April 2026 04:58:03 PM

Of course you fail to see what past kings and judges have to do with the present situation.

Your head is buried in the sand.Israel has been there for thousands of years.

Are We Lost · Guru

Sorry Magnarc, wrong again. Building on the last posts by Plain Truth ...

Britannica has a small article about UN Resolution 181 and Wikipedia has a much deeper one.

As per both sources, the UK relinquished control in 1947 because they did not want to be involved anymore. It was passed to the UN which established a committee. The committee came up with two alternate plans and the Arab community rejected both. As noted before, the UK abstained from voting .... both points far from "the facts" posted earlier.

I have no idea what I would have done at the time, but smarter and vastly better informed people than us made a very tough decision. I am not saying either side had more or less justification, but what would have happened if that decision and action had not been taken? What phase in history would you propose that clearly gave one side more entitlement than the other?

In your previous posts when pressed to be specific you have usually declined to do so. How about making an exception.

Sorry for continuing the thread drift but that is what appears to be the interest now.

Ineedabiggerboat · Senior Member

Dont forget Matilda. Dec 14. Dont forget Oct 7. Dont forget 9/11. Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis are primarily funded, trained, and armed by Iran as part of its "Axis of Resistance," a network of regional proxies designed to advance Iranian foreign policy goals and counter U.S. and Israeli influence. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), specifically its elite Quds Force, serves as the primary conduit for this support. The ones that just a few months ago murdered 35,000 people. Their policies on marriage as in keep it in the family leads to many issues, including mental health. I researched the number of civilians killed by Australian RAF bombing since WW2. Check it yourselves. Estimates in the tens of thousands. Im not perturbed by it, its the fog of war. Anyone who objects to sane countries taking offensive action against those lunatics is a fool.

dorian · Guru

Some AI research ...

The Jewish population of Palestine in 1921 is estimated at about 76,000 - 78,000. This figure comes from demographic reconstructions for the years immediately before the 1922 British Mandate census, which recorded 83,794 Jews in 1922.

https://www.palestinianhistorytapestry.org/tapestry/0460-jewish-immigration-to-palestine/

Before World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine was roughly 449,000 (in 1939). This reflects the result of several waves of Zionist immigration during the British Mandate period (1922 - 1948), which significantly increased the Jewish share of the population.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

The Jewish population of Israel in 1948 was approximately 806,000. This figure comes from official population statistics for the State of Israel's founding year.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/population-of-israel-1948-present

Therefore, it is clear that British occupation is responsible for the Jewish population explosion in Palestine. The British presence in Palestine was also responsible for the immigration of hundreds of thousands of the post-war Jewish diaspora.

Basically, the British said to the UN, yes, we made a mess of it, but you can clean it up. If European imperialists hadn't meddled in the Middle East, the Jews would still be in Europe and the Arabs would still be in Palestine.

To those who believe that the Jewish people were entitled to reclaim their Biblical homeland after centuries of absence, tell that to the indigenous peoples of Australia, and North, South and Central America.

DMaxer · Guru

I agree with your summary Magnarc.

DMaxer · Guru

In relation to that attack on He King David hotel in 1946 Magnarc, the leader of the terrorist group that killed 91 diplomats and their staff was M. Begin. He subsequently went on to be the Israeli PM in the late seventies to mid eighties. Good form eh? I also see that big Don let slip the other day that the USA supplied weapons to the protesters via the Kurds in that uprising that occurred in Tehran recently. Those are the same people they care so much about they want to annihilate the whole civilisation.

Dick0 · Guru

fatty wrote:
Please don't turn this political !

The OP requested this in the opening statement.