Cricketers Caught Cheating

JA2340 · Senior Member

RE: Cricketers Caught Cheating

agent13 · Member

What a lot of nonsense. Who cares. Aren't all cricketers guilty of tampering with the ball when they polish it?

Relax-n · Guru

The Aussie cricket team has a new mascot

JayDee · Guru

Ok, if the sort of tampering with the ball as we have seen by the Aussie players is CHEATING.

Then what is

Polishing the ball on one side to create a better performance of the ball in flight.

It is also CHEATING

To polish the ball is to enhance the performance of the ball.

That is also CHEATING

The MCC and Australia Cricket must now ban the practice.

Jay&Dee

Kebbin · Guru

Polishing the ball is legal in the laws of the game and is more maintaining the condition of the ball, tampering is changing the condition of the ball. Regardless of the moronic method used by Bancroft ( it didn't effect the ball because it was not changed) the discussion the Leadership Group had ( which James Sutherland has since told us didn't happen, yeah sure James) is by far the most deceitful of the two because they planned to cheat amongst themselves.

By doing this they have deceived there fellow team mates their fans and most importantly those they represent, the Australian people. This is why I'm upset the most.

-- Edited by Kebbin on Wednesday 28th of March 2018 10:56:15 AM

RustyD · Guru

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Robreen · Veteran Member

G'day all.
As disappointed and angry we may be about the ball tampering incident, I think it is time to move on. The sun still came up this morning. The world has not come to an end.

The individuals involved are going to pay a severe penalty that will go on for years.
There are other things that are more important than cricket.

To err is human. To forgive is divine.

Robert

Desert Dweller · Guru

A new member of the Australian cricket team perhaps?

https://www.thesandpaperman.com.au/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiMC-z-eS2gIVjg4rCh0SewtNEAAYAiAAEgLjIfD_BwE

Eaglemax · Guru

Robreen wrote:
G'day all.
As disappointed and angry we may be about the ball tampering incident, I think it is time to move on. The sun still came up this morning. The world has not come to an end.

The individuals involved are going to pay a severe penalty that will go on for years.
There are other things that are more important than cricket.

To err is human. To forgive is divine.

Robert

Agree Robreen,

I wanted them banned for life but I am of the view that when punishment is dished out and has the effect it has had, enough with the big stick and let healing begin. After all, the deterrent has been effective. The ramifications so huge young players will don the baggy green and know its importance as a no cheating zone.

aussie_paul · Guru

Robreen wrote:
G'day all.
As disappointed and angry we may be about the ball tampering incident, I think it is time to move on. The sun still came up this morning. The world has not come to an end.

The individuals involved are going to pay a severe penalty that will go on for years.
There are other things that are more important than cricket.

To err is human. To forgive is divine.

Robert

For sure Robert. Over and done with now, SO time to move on.

Aussie Paul. smile

Ron-D · Guru

The captain and his bowler did the right thing and showed up to the press straight away and expressed genuine simpathy,the other guy charged through the media sheltered by his misses and kids..

dorian · Guru

A comparison ...

http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/espn-fc-united/68/post/3089827/diego-maradona-hand-of-god-goal-proved-that-cheating-is-not-always-immoral

Nearly 31 years ago, on June 22, 1986, at Estadio Azteca in Mexico City, Diego Armando Maradona scored a goal with his fist. Afterward, he claimed it had been scored by the hand of God. Apparently, shielding this fact from the referee was God's way of compensating Diego for not endowing him with a better vertical leap.

We know Diego's explanation to be utter nonsense; God does not intervene in the game of soccer because it is too instructive as a laboratory of free will. Meanwhile, we humans demand that the game be played according to a moral code -- impartial referees, no gambling -- and to us it is obvious that the hand of a rascal allowed Argentina to defeat England 2-1 in the World Cup quarterfinals.

But people in Argentina continue to celebrate the Hand of God. The Asociación del Fútbol Argentino (AFA) includes the play in its promo reels. The Argentine government airs it on public TV. An entire nation praises the most blatant act of cheating ever caught on tape.

DMaxer · Guru

I have watched all the players' interviews now and feel very sad for the three of them. Just because David Warner was the last does not make it less sincere. I imagine they would all have received advice as to their proposed statements and I understand it would have been difficult to put your kids down, excuse yourself from the wife and then go into details after 17 hours on a flight.

Whilst I don't condone what they did it does need to be put into perspective. I remember as a child seeing the West Indies in 1960/1 in Australia and the whole crowd marvelling at the bowlers rubbing the ball into the pitch to enable Alf Valentine and Lance Gibbs better purchase on the ball to enable it to spin more. I remember playing district cricket in my youth and hearing prominent coaches telling the bowlers to put hair oil on their hair and to rub their hands through it to shine the ball. I watch bowlers in this day and age put the ball on their face to enable perspiration to make one side of the ball heavier to assist with swing. What they did was wrong and they have been humiliated and shamed to the extent that they are now in tears. Perhaps we could now march them through the streets and pelt fruit and abuse at them.

What has disturbed me the most throughout this whole sorry episode is the invisible members of Cricket Australia. Where are they. Why weren't they there as well answering a few questions. This culture has gone on for years under their directorship. This sledging culture could have been stopped immediately with just one stern direction. They are just as complicit as the cricketers involved, the exception being they do not have the internal fortitude to face the public. Where is the chairman, where is the CEO, where is the board. All hiding I suppose.

The players are not commenting on who else knew about it, when it first started or who else was involved. This will be a time bomb for the CA Board.

I think that before the deadline on Wednesday there will be three appeals lodged against this CA decision. I think it is time for the media to leave these three young men alone and turn the sights onto the Board. This event for the players is heartbreaking to watch. When the blowtorch is applied to CA it will be better entertainment than any cricket match when they try to squirm their collective way out of the mess they created.

aussie_paul · Guru

DMaxer wrote:
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What has disturbed me the most throughout this whole sorry episode is the invisible members of Cricket Australia. Where are they. Why weren't they there as well answering a few questions. This culture has gone on for years under their directorship. This sledging culture could have been stopped immediately with just one stern direction. They are just as complicit as the cricketers involved, the exception being they do not have the internal fortitude to face the public. Where is the chairman, where is the CEO, where is the board. All hiding I suppose.

The players are not commenting on who else knew about it, when it first started or who else was involved. This will be a time bomb for the CA Board.

I think that before the deadline on Wednesday there will be three appeals lodged against this CA decision. I think it is time for the media to leave these three young men alone and turn the sights onto the Board. This event for the players is heartbreaking to watch. When the blowtorch is applied to CA it will be better entertainment than any cricket match when they try to squirm their collective way out of the mess they created.

Yes Dmax. The sledging etc should have been stopped by CA. They could have set the moral higher ground. "Everyone does it" is not on. Two wrongs have never made a right.

Another situation that has me disliking the media even more.

Aussie Paul. smile

DMaxer · Guru

Exactly AP. No matter what these three may have done, they did not invent this culture, they were schooled in it and inherited it, all with it would seem, approval of CA.

I just hope that whoever takes over the coaching role is not associated with those louts of former days. The person I would really like to see in that position is Jason Gillespie. A brilliant player, superb coach and a gentleman. I recall that after he retired from first class cricket he captained a group of indigenous cricketers on a tour of the UK to reenact the first test series played between England and an Australian Indigenous Eleven, some time before the first ever Ashes test. It went over extremely well in the UK.

In relation to the present mess, "It was tape", "This was the first time" "The coach was not aware of it" and "The leadership Group" is where it will all unravel.

Ron-D · Guru

Yeah sure Dmaxer Warners just a nice family man .that could Not front the meadier,give me a break,and when he did he refused to answer questions ,and stormed out of the room. The other two faced up straight away took there music like real men answered every question asked of them good young blokes that did a stupid thing.

DMaxer · Guru

But that is just it Ron. they didn't answer every question. The media were allowed one question each. They did not say whether it was the first time, did not mention who else if any were in on it. Smith and Bancroft lied to the onfield umpires and then lied again in the press conference shortly thereafter.

Warner is a polarising character to say the least. However, I don't think it is a matter of who apologises first should be taken as blameless. I don't like the way Warner portrays himself but I don't believe he should be singled out until this has been properly investigated.

I see the players association are getting involved. There is a lot more to come, me thinks!

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 1st of April 2018 09:00:15 AM

DMaxer · Guru

This whole thing has really got me intrigued. If Warner was the instigator and the one that we all want to hang, why was the fellow from Cricket Australia standing there telling the media they only had one question and then terminating the press conference. Secondly, if the coach had no knowledge, why didn't he front the press conference on the evening that the tampering was discovered. Thirdly, if you were going to tamper with a ball, why would you have three batsmen doing it with no input from a bowler?

Oh well, if nothing else, it stops me from thinking about generators and caravan park fees for a day or two.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 1st of April 2018 10:17:33 AM

aussie_paul · Guru

DMaxer wrote:

Oh well, if nothing else, it stops me from thinking about generators and caravan park fees for a day or two.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 1st of April 2018 10:17:33 AM

lol DMaxer. biggrin

Aussie Paul. smile

Footprints · Senior Member

Is the uproar by we the public really about the crime of "cheating " I think possibly not. Please step forward one pace all of the current critics, not too many I would presume who have never cheated, you remember that time you cheated during the test or on the resume, maybe just a little cheat on that past income tax lodgement, no matter "a cheat is still a cheat". I reckon the furore is more about betrayal, these men get paid handsomely to play a game that they love however as The Australian Cricket Team they represent the entire population of this country and their actions have betrayed the trust of so many Australians. For the crime of cheating I believe that the penalty of being stood down for one year is a fair and just penalty. For the betrayal of the country in this matter I feel that they should receive a lifetime ban from cricket As their actions are no less than Russian athletes or Tour D'France cheats who have lifetime bans. My two cents worth.

Ron-D · Guru

DMaxer wrote:
But that is just it Ron. they didn't answer every question. The media were allowed one question each. They did not say whether it was the first time, did not mention who else if any were in on it. Smith and Bancroft lied to the onfield umpires and then lied again in the press conference shortly thereafter.

Warner is a polarising character to say the least. However, I don't think it is a matter of who apologises first should be taken as blameless. I don't like the way Warner portrays himself but I don't believe he should be singled out until this has been properly investigated.

I see the players association are getting involved. There is a lot more to come, me thinks!

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 1st of April 2018 09:00:15 AM

Dmaxer its just my personal opinion gut feeling if you like ...

DMaxer · Guru

I am not saying you are wrong, Ron. I just think these three are wearing it for quite a few who were either involved as well or had knowledge and looked the other way.

meetoo · Guru

DMaxer wrote:
Exactly AP. No matter what these three may have done, they did not invent this culture, they were schooled in it and inherited it, all with it would seem, approval of CA.

They still did the crime though and should do the time, no matter who else etc etc.

Cheers, John