I agree that the text is emotive however I think you missed the point John in as much as these children have been encouraged to protest publicly regarding climate change.
The news report and the subsequent result may have been more favourable if it read something along the lines of

School children encouraged to limit use of resources in a display of support for climate change

I dont believe encouraging children to strike is the way that teachers should have handled this.
It is a bit like the people who chain themselves to machinery in an attempt to save a tree but then go off home to live in their nice cozy timber framed home.

I really think that you and I, John, have too much time on our hands 

Well I am packing today for a few days off the grid so I will be having a well earned rest from the rigours of forum keyboard challenges.. 

Cheers

-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 4th of December 2018 12:40:55 PM

While the Swedish family might be commended for their personal actions my view is that by the time these actions filtered down through the systems of various countries and got to good old Australia, the actions of the students, prompted and encouraged by the teachers amounted to a little more than a day off for those concerned.
The governments of the day particularly in Australia are a poor example of how any policy is handled and suggesting strike action with children to get a point across is foolhardy and is setting a poor example for the way those children might act as adults.

So away you go John and get your Google Hat on and pick the crap out of my comments.
I am sure that there will be some link somewhere on the World Wide Web that will provide you with the necessary fodder to counteract what I have just said.

I should have added this comment below to my opening post but at that time I really didnt think that I would have to.

My personal opinion that the time wasted by striking and protesting on what most if us know will fall on deaf ears, it may have been a lot more productive to spend that wasted time on addressing bullying with the ranks of the young students.
Encouraging solutions to eliminate bullying would go a long way to prevent a lot of youth suicide.
This may not be of concern to most unless it has affected a loved one.

These are my opinions and to encourage or even worse, to force children to strike over something that the very people that are suggesting strike action, cant or wont fix, is not healthy.

Gday...

Sorry Dickodownunder - there is no need to google or, as you mistakenly assume, "pick the crap out of your comments".

It is just a little sad that you persist with "prompted and encouraged by the teachers." 

One needs to expand one's sources of information when forming, and espousing one's personal opinion.

Cheers - stay well, travel safely and enjoy your few days off the grid - John

So who is Greta Thunberg,

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-fifteen-year-old-climate-activist-who-is-demanding-a-new-kind-of-politics

Ten Thousand years ago the Aboridginals in Tasmania were cut off from the main land of Australia , why ? because of sea level rise ! work that one out ,Cheers

Just a climate cycle,happened before will happen again

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/files/publication/TheCollapseofCivilizations.pdf

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Just a climate cycle,happened before will happen again

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/files/publication/TheCollapseofCivilizations.pdf

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Gday...

It is very well known that there have been many, many 'climate cycles' over the past many thousands of years - we all learnt about it in school.

However, if one does some research, each of those 'climate cycles' were some thousands of years apart.

Until the Industrial Revolution in the late 1700s through to the late 1800s, there was no 'manufacturing' or use of fossil fuels to produce vast quantities to drive the production of the needs of the human race that had been previously produced from in the home.

It has been in the 20th century in particular that the consumption of fossil fuels has grown almost out of control. Yep, it produced the motor vehicle, air planes, electricity and many. many other 'labour-saving' and 'quality of life' "improvements". We have all enjoyed the fruits of the industrial revolution and the ensuing 'consumer society'.

However, the past 100 years of using fossil fuels to 'grow our economies', provide our transport and pump the waste products into the environment has accelerated the next 'climate cycle'. Some many 100s of years before it may have 'normally' arrived.

Those 'climate cycles' of many thousands of years ago left the world devastated and unable to support life as as we know it for the length of time that the 'climate cycle' persisted.

Obviously, the world restored itself and life began again - animal and vegetable. 

As some have said, we old phart 'baby boomers' will not see any real bad change in our lifetime ... but those who we are leaving this planet to will suffer.

Perhaps we should heed the wisdom of Native American Chief Seattle, who said, We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. 

Or the Cree Native American proverb - "Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realise we cannot eat money".

Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John

-- Edited by rockylizard on Tuesday 4th of December 2018 07:32:24 PM

Not sure about the need to ridicule and discount school kids either. After all we are supposed to be the adults and set an example. Guidance is the key. Maybe this kind of stuff will inspire a generational war. Maybe that's needed. After all I think I know who's been greedy and self centered here.

Dont be surprised if there is a major cull on the wealth of us baby boomers in the mid term future, say 20 to 30 years away. To pay for the mess left behind. I can see it happening. Wont blame them at all. Sooner all homes and business have enough battery power to be off grid the better. That's a start. If thats unaffordable, which is likely, , then maybe Nuclear power stations should be built.... I dont like that option, but maybe it is the quickest and most realistic solution. Extreme I know, but I cant really see power usage going down in a major hurry, or people giving up their comforts, nor should they after all each generations living standards are meant to improve, thats our duty and supposedly our legacy. Non Carbon generation is paramount.

Thanks kids for starting the debate.


Who should pay.... maybe us the ones that went before.. Got to admit to pinching myself when I look at my multiple 7 figure assets I've accumulated out of blue collar work, like the majority of my peers I see around me. Sure it's super and family property, but it's worth a hell of a lot on paper. Far more than my Parents ever achieved and likely more than at least 2 of my 4 kids are kids are every likely to achieve.

I don't have a problem with these kids wanting to make their feelings known about something that will effect their generation far more than our own. On the other hand I have an issue with the methodolgy that they used to do it - why teach them that in today's society using a strike as a weapon is an acceptable way to support an argument. Wouldn't they have gained more support from the community by organising a climate change rally and holding it on a non school day ? It seems to me that someone may have suggested that doing it on a school day and calling it a strike would get them a whole lot more media attention.  People will have to make their own call on how effective they thought the kids protest was or whether they were only being used as a tool to support a political point of view - I know what I think.

Although I agree with some of the sentiment behind the OP the last paragraph is nothing more than a personal attack on the individual rather than challenging an argument. IMHO this is a typical facebook rant put out by some troll whose main aim is to get people to rise to the bait - exactly the reason why I avoid using that or any the other social networking sites such as twitter.

Cheers

BB

-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Wednesday 5th of December 2018 07:39:45 AM

It's not "Climate Change" [sic] which is the problem it's overpopulation - and no one wants to do anything about that because it's all too hard....

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It's not "Climate Change" [sic] which is the problem it's overpopulation - and no one wants to do anything about that because it's all too hard....

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Gday...

  so why did you post the obnoxious tirade from some anonymous facebook poster?

Cheers - John

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Which "obnoxious tirade" did I post?

I will get our new leeder to leed in pray and everything will alright .

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Nothing wrong with using lots of energy, it is where it comes from that counts.
We generate several times as much solar energy than we consume.
Coal MUST go and NOW and Adani must NOT proceed..
Cheers,
Peter

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Peter

Just about everything you consume has used coal and oil in the manufacturing  process. Power is only one of the products of coal.

Overpopulation is the main problem.

 

My original post was to highlight the fact that schoolchildren in this country were encouraged or forced or persuaded in some way to take time from their schooling to join a protest. 

Unfortunately I should have made my topic title reflect close to that thought. I should have not posted the pic but the reason was that the pic was on the FB post with reference to the link. Who would have known the angst it caused.

The pic from FB was to highlight one persons view, not necessarily of anyone on this forum.

My personal view as I have openly stated above, without any links from me to detract, I would have much rather seen our children rally in support of the prevention of bullying in schools than to rally for something that they can do nothing about while our collective governments in this country dont want change.
For goodness sake, does anyone on here think for one minute that our sale of coal to China and India is going to come to a stop as a result of a rally that was forced upon our school children.

Anyhow carry on with the latest report regatding the bush fires in Queensland

-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Wednesday 5th of December 2018 04:13:00 PM

-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Wednesday 5th of December 2018 04:14:45 PM