Before the barbie and beer...think about this.........

pipes · Senior Member

Before the barbie and beer...think about this.........

dogbox · Guru

I wonder how those people who oppose Australia day would feel(if they were here) if the second world war had of gone the other way

chrisnchris · Senior Member

Totally agree Graham.
May we always celebrate Australia Day on 26th Jan and give thanks for what we have in our beautiful country.
Happy Australia Day everyone .
Cheers
Chris

DMaxer · Guru

I agree. Go back even further and see how many of the ungrateful or their descendants would be here to whinge if it was the Spanish and not the British that chose to make a settlement here.

Kebbin · Guru

Ignorance is no excuse for racial slurs!

dogbox · Guru

Kebbin wrote:

Ignorance is no excuse for racial slurs!

I don't follow the comment has someone made a racial slur?

DMaxer · Guru

Que?

The Belmont Bear · Guru

160 years before WW2 Foundation Day was celebrated in NSW on the aniversary of the flag raising ceremony in Sydney Cove (26/1/1788) In the following years it was known as Foundation or Settlement Day and it wasn't until the centenary in 1888 that the other self governing colonies came to NSW to help celebrate that day. It also wasn't until the 1930s that Victoria decreed that it should be called Australia Day and be gazetted as a public holiday (but not necessarily on the 26th january but on a Monday so as to create a long weekend) all of the other states agreed except NSW who still celebrated Foundation Day. In 1994 all the states and territories finally accepted the 26th January as Australia Day and agreed that's when the public holiday should be granted.

The Commonwealth of Australia wasn't actually born until Federation on the !st january 1901 before that it was made up of 6 self governing British colonies. So thanks guys for helping us to celebtrate the foundation of the great state of NSW biggrin biggrin .

Cheers

BB

Izabarack · Guru

Ypipes wrote:
........thank their God, whatever they deem him, her, or it to be, that the Allies won World War Two.
If they had not, I believe that none of the seven plus generations born in this beautiful country, or having arrived since the late 1940's, would be alive today.

You will have to explain the logic behind that one. Even with a different outcome to WW2, the people still alive in Aust at that time would still be breeding.

Iza

rockylizard · Guru

The Belmont Bear wrote:
160 years before WW2 Foundation Day was celebrated in NSW on the aniversary of the flag raising ceremony in Sydney Cove (26/1/1788) In the following years it was known as Foundation or Settlement Day and it wasn't until the centenary in 1888 that the other self governing colonies came to NSW to help celebrate that day. It also wasn't until the 1930s that Victoria decreed that it should be called Australia Day and be gazetted as a public holiday (but not necessarily on the 26th january but on a Monday so as to create a long weekend) all of the other states agreed except NSW who still celebrated Foundation Day. In 1994 all the states and territories finally accepted the 26th January as Australia Day and agreed that's when the public holiday should be granted.

The Commonwealth of Australia wasn't actually born until Federation on the !st january 1901 before that it was made up of 6 self governing British colonies. So thanks guys for helping us to celebtrate the foundation of the great state of NSW .
Cheers
BB

Gday...

The history of 'Australia's beginnings is interesting ... and how it is celebrated is influenced by many factors 'of the day' ... AND Straya most definitely SHOULD be celebrated.

People today see the discussions on the 26 January as 'leftist, greenie' stirring that only raised its head in recent times.

It has more considerable history than that -

The Day of Mourning protest was organised by the Aborigines Progressive Association (APA), based in New South Wales and led by its founders Jack Patten and William Ferguson. The protest leaders also had support from the Australian Aborigines League (AAL), based in Victoria and led by William Cooper. In 1888, the centenary of British colonisation, Aboriginal leaders had simply boycotted the Australia Day celebrations. However, this had been ignored by the media. These groups had also sent petitions to the Government of Australia and the Government of the United Kingdom, in the early 1930s, for the recognition of Aboriginal civil rights (including Aboriginal representation in the Parliament of Australia), but they had been ignored or dismissed without serious attention, and each had refused to pass the petitions on to King George V. As a result, a more proactive event was planned for the sesquicentenary, which the media and governments could not ignore. This was despite recent experience of the New South Wales Police engaging in general intimidation of public meetings of such political organisations.

WE, representing THE ABORIGINES OF AUSTRALIA, assembled in Conference at the Australian Hall, Sydney, on the 26th day of January, 1938, this being the 150th anniversary of the whitemen's seizure of our country, HEREBY MAKE PROTEST against the callous treatment of our people by the whitemen in the past 150 years, AND WE APPEAL to the Australian Nation to make new laws for the education and care of Aborigines, and for a new policy which will raise our people to FULL CITIZEN STATUS and EQUALITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

Australia is a GREAT country and we should celebrate the many facets that show the inherent qualities of the diversified population. However, somehow, sometime, ultimately, we need to acknowledge that Australia existed before a particular date in 1788 and that, somehow, someway, we should embrace those we didn't even allow to exist as citizens in their own country until 1967.

Jest sayin' hmm

Cheers - John

Izabarack · Guru

Funny, how a post about the outcome of a war morphs into an Us-against-Them argument about the date on which to celebrate our nation status.

As the post from BB above states, the 26th belongs to a ruling white administration that was all powerful at that time in Australia.

A quote from a friend of mine -

(Quote) "The current date of Australia Day belongs to the time of the White Australia Policy (1949 1973) and little earlier. The current date commemorates the start of Sorry Time for the First Nation People of Australia. The appalling treatment of Australia's indigenous people stands out when we realise we needed the referendum in 1967 to alter the constitution to allow Aboriginal people citizenship and the right to vote. Recent research results show that most Australians don't particularly care about what date is used for celebration of Australia's nationhood as long as we have a nation wide day for that celebration. The same research shows the current date is a source of distress for one section of Australia's citizens. The research also shows that negligible distress will result in those pushing to retain the current date, should the national day be move to a date that would facilitate inclusion of ALL Australians. It appears increasingly evident that those opposing a date change are being deliberately divisive and devoid of empathy for the experience of our indigenous peoples.

I will be flying a couple of Aboriginal flags on Saturday to show my support for a change in the date and further efforts to include ALL Australians in celebrations on Australia Day." (unQuote)

The Sorry statement a couple of years ago was a useful action towards resolving the tensions between European origin Australians and First Nations Peoples. If a simple change of date is going to continue that process, I am all for it.

Iza

Ron-D · Guru

I cant understand how its considered invasion day the arrival of the first fleet.our magnificent land mass would never have been owned by a small primitive population forever if you think that its stupidity at the highest Level.

dogbox · Guru

I was watching a program that traces peoples ancestry, an by the time the program was over their nationality had changed a number of times due to the wars that changed boundries of countries. when people ask me what nationality I am I say I come from xxxx an it depends who had the biggest army at the time as to what nationality my ancestors were !

we are Australians but if the French or the Russians or Chinese had of settled here before the English I don't think Australia day would even be a topic of discussion

-- Edited by dogbox on Saturday 26th of January 2019 10:23:53 AM

Izabarack · Guru

Ron-D wrote:
I cant understand how its considered invasion day .....

A lack of understanding of the perspective of Australia's First Nation's peoples has been identified as the major problem towards support for a date on which all Australians can celebrate our nationhood. A concerted effort is being made to get those who do not understand to educate themselves so they can debate and discuss from a position of knowledge. Ignorance is no excuse for nastiness.

As the Dalai Lama once said "Be kind whenever possible". He finished the saying "It is always possible".

Iza

dogbox · Guru

I thought the term first nations was a term use to refer to the native people of north America when did it come to be used to refer to aborigines ?

LUCKY LOZ · Veteran Member

With trepidation I enter this long running debate on when to celebrate Australia Day. As I see it the "Australia"s First Nation' peoples were originally " African First Nation's peoples and then Indonesia's First Nation's people before crossing the land bridge . Since man walked upright there has always been conflict and fighting for land and resources and food. Yes the vanquished have often been mistreated and sometimes it is a long road to equality. But as we have forgiven the Germans and Japanese, time moves on and I wish others would as well. There is no going back only forwards. Now we have so many people who celebrate there own cultural New Years and National days and Halloweens etc.etc.
Perhaps First Nation People should have there own celebration day as the Kiwis have Waitangi Day and just let the rest of us celebrate the day we all grew up with.
Time to get over it IMHO. Happy Australia Day to ALL.

dogbox · Guru

just looked up the term first nations "first nations is a term to describe aboriginal people in Canada who are not Inuit or Metis " so it is a bit specific

isn't there a day in june or july for aboriginal independence day?

Kebbin · Guru

dogbox wrote:
just looked up the term first nations "first nations is a term to describe aboriginal people in Canada who are not Inuit or Metis " so it is a bit specific

isn't there a day in june or july for aboriginal independence day?

So your advocating a us & them mentality?

dogbox · Guru

Kebbin wrote:

dogbox wrote:
just looked up the term first nations "first nations is a term to describe aboriginal people in Canada who are not Inuit or Metis " so it is a bit specific

isn't there a day in june or july for aboriginal independence day?
So your advocating a us & them mentality?

I don't follow your statement I refered to a statement I read as to were the term "first nation people" came from. then asked a question if there was a day for aboriginal independence I remember being in Darwin once when there was some aboriginal celebration going on. maybe someone was funning with me when they told me it was aboriginal independence day but not knowing any different I believed them how is that advocating a them or us mentality

-- Edited by dogbox on Saturday 26th of January 2019 05:43:21 PM

The Belmont Bear · Guru

Since 1789 NSW has celebrated the 26th January as the aniversary of the day that the flag was first raised in Sydney Cove. Whether people want to call it Foundation Day, Settlement Day, Australia Day or some other day doesn't really matter that's the date that the event happened. Personally I believe that If not all Australians can agree that our national day should fall on that date (for whatever reason) we should move it - probably a more appropriate time to celebrate Australia Day would be on the aniversary of Federation as that's when we were supposed to become a single unified nation. Regardless of what ever happens with Australia Day NSW is always going to celebrate the 26th January as the aniversary of the foundation of this state - maybe we will just have to revert back to reffering to it by it's original name.

Cheers

BB