Corona virus where to now.

outlaw40 · Guru

RE: Corona virus where to now.

Rob Driver · Guru

bgt wrote:
OK I'll ask just one more time as no one has given an answer.

Given that there has never been a vaccine for any covid virus and the likely hood of them finding one now sounds slim, we are going to either go into permanent lock down or learn to live with covid-19. So The question is - "what rate of infection will be accepted to be able to open up everything again? 0? 10? 50? per day?"

I'm asking not to stir the forum but rather to make folks think about what is in front of us. Covid-19 is not just going to vanish.

ps, I don't give a rats how the treasurer talks. There are 25 million Australians. Many of them coming from overseas. All of them with some sort of accent. How about putting bias aside.

Based on current facts I personally can not offer a full solution but isolating, cleanliness and general awareness would be paramount.

My comment above with regard to absolute vigilant checking of our temperature in all public places would most certainly help to stop the spread should this method be introduced.

The app that the govt is asking us to install is only a shut the gate after the horse has bolted measure and with my personal experience with Bluetooth connections and recognition is almost a waste of time. I have trouble with a Bluetooth connection to my husband phone from my iPad and our connection in the car only works about 50% of the time.

Although I feel for the business owners generally I feel we should all put HEALTH before WEALTH and gatherings of large groups will need to be controlled and unfortunately, limited.

Unnecessary travel should be completely discouraged and by doing this we at least have smaller groups subject to any spread of infection. I probably liken this to the old days of shutting the town gates.

People who are currently displaced from their homes should be permitted, with restrictions, to get back home.

People with need to provide or assist with care of another family member should be permitted to do so by implementing a safe method of travel and association with that person.

Airline, and bus travel should not be permitted. Crossing borders should not be permitted apart from supply, and for purposes of people needing to get home in the immediate time frame.

I know that these basic suggestions will attract the wrath of some on here but these are my suggestions to answering your question.

Above all, I truly believe is that we would all be safer with vigilant temperature checking and immediate testing, treating and isolation should a test be positive.

Regards

Angie

Rob Driver · Guru

I would also like to add that I have faith in our medical experts in finding a vaccine for this terrible virus but unfortunately we then come up against another selfish group that wont vaccinate themselves or their families.
It will be hard to win this battle unless vaccination is compulsory by law and anyone who is not vaccinated should not be permitted to travel at all anywhere.

Regards

Angie

TheHeaths · Guru

What is your take on the acceptable levels, Bruce?

You seem upset no one else is committing to a number, but you also avoid giving an answer to a question, that despite your comment that you are not stirring the forum, is sure to create heated discussion.

From my perspective, the current levels of infection are at the good end of acceptable, and I believe that the approach being taken to re normalise our society responsible, and in line with what I would expect I cant comment any more than that, as I am not privy to all information that is available and being considered.

Rob Driver · Guru

bgt wrote:
Everyone needs to keep everything in perspective. Yes there have been 100 sad deaths. Yes we need to be very careful with any outbreaks. But at what cost? It's so easy for us retired folks to say we want the lockdown to continue. But the lockdown is destroying lives. Financial and health wise. Folks are going bankrupt. Unemployment is having a huge mental told on the country. Suicides will, according to recent reports, go up by 400%. So at what point do we go back to 'normal'? 0 infections? 20 infections? 50 or 100? Who gets to decide what is acceptable? A vaccine may be a year or two away. So do we stay in lockdown until then? Or do we learn to live with covid-19? At some point we have to make a decision and make the calculated risk of virus v getting back to life. So who here wants to make that decision?

If you are interested in my perspective then due to the way that this virus spreads and kills humans then my number that will be tolerable is ZERO which is what was in Australia prior to the disease being carried here from other countries.

The mental toll on some people in this country due to this may be serious but maybe organised consultation should be a priority with govts wanting to assist.

Businesses go broke and people become bankrupt on a daily basis with or without a pandemic or war or for any other reason other than insufficient or misguided planning or maybe just a simple thing of overspending or over committing when borrowing. This should be a much lesser reason to risk all of our lives by relaxing the procedures which at present are keeping the absolute majority of our population free of the virus.

There are many major companies trading in this country WITHOUT paying tax here. Maybe the govt should start taxing them and prop up the businesses that need GENUINE help and provide consultation to those with mental issues.

Just look at the USA and the UK for the results of not initiating procedures to prevent or at least slow the spread.

Your question at best will only get personal comments as it is impossible to pull a number from anywhere and say that this number will keep us all safe. I would imagine that many folks views would change quite dramatically if it was their family member that got the virus and died, particularly if the disease was caught by the irresponsible actions of a selfish individual or from a Premier bowing down to hype from the media and hotel owners.

Sensible lockdown procedures in ALL STATES will go a long way with the prevention of controlling the spread of the virus.

Regards

Angie

-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Sunday 24th of May 2020 01:24:04 PM

Gundog · Guru

The way I see it a lot of responder are just down right scared, why are you scared is it the constant barrage from the media centering on the doom and gloom misreporting the facts, over dramitizing the situation. Along with running news stories about how bad thing are supposed to be in all these countries, forgetting that Australia shares no boarders with another country, and we are a very large land mass with a small population. we are unlike any other country in the world.

The media dont want to identify where and how the virus spread, except for the Ruby Princes and even then we have no idea how those that disembarked in Sydney, like many who arrived on repatriation flights they left the terminals and journeyed back to their home states by various modes of transportation, some were and others were not placed in quarantine on their arrival. Thats how we got to the peake of infection. Now the majority of infections are comming from people working in the health system infecting others because there is no system to protect the community from them. No state has a proper containment proceedure save shutting as much as they dare with no science to back it up.

Some say trust the experts, how can you when they cannot agree on boarder closures, A few state Premiers using that conflicting opinon to strangle their states, saying they are protecting their people, to that I say "Bull****" their not looking after their states they are hampering them.

Many were ****ting their pants when we less than a thousand cases, panic buying started, racism went up against asians, it wasnt untill we passed 5000 cases did the the government start to publish the the recovery numbers and they continue that fear program to this day. Alas we have conflict and confuson between state government officials and leader all based on personal opinion without factual evidance.

Have I ever feared catching this virus No never because the odds are on my side I have a 99.999% chance of not aquiring covid19, if I did and carked it I dont have a problem I have have a very good full life, I dont fear death its going to happen one day, i have a greater chance of being killed on our roads.

Rob Driver · Guru

Gundog,

You said

Have I ever feared catching this virus No never because the odds are on my side I have a 99.999% chance of not aquiring covid19, if I did and carked it I dont have a problem I have have a very good full life, I dont fear death its going to happen one day, i have a greater chance of being killed on our roads.

And that just goes to show how very selfish you are.
By your own admittance you travelled when we were all asked not to.

What would have happened if you had infected someone through your contact while travelling and then visited a town where you stopped and got fuel and supplies or even just went to the toilet, then they in turn infected two others in that town then we have a small community under extreme threat because you travelled?
This could even be at your holiday destination. Bare in mind this virus has an incubation period of two weeks.

I just cant believe your lack of any compassion for others and if you think your attitude is that of a hero then you need to have a real good look at yourself.

No Regards this time

Angie

bgt · Guru

I was asked what my number would be. Sorry I should have said if I already hadn't. Well I believe we are there now. The current infection rate is not overloading the health system. So the current rate of under 20 infections a day is a good starting point. But I would put a condition on that if I was in charge. The condition would be that any consistent spikes would see an immediate return to previous restriction.

Provided it is drummed into everyone that social distancing, washing hands and don't touch your face are followed then we should be ok. I can live with Woolies putting 1.5metre circles everywhere. We need a 'slip, slop, slap; campaign..

As for the 'experts'. Well I trust the federal government to give us the overall picture. Dr Murphy has done a good job. They have all the data. The issue I have is that each state is using other 'experts' to give them their view on things. So which 'expert' do we believe? I'm cynical enough to believe that each state is using their own 'expert' to support their view.

Life has to go on. We can't wrap everyone up in cotton wool and pray nothing happens. Provided the health system is capable of handling an out break I think the brakes should come off over the next month or so. (international travel excepted. I do feel for those who have RVs in the USA etc and can't get to them to register etc. We were lucky and sold ours not long ago. Pure ar@#).

dogbox · Guru

Gundog wrote:

The way I see it a lot of responder are just down right scared, why are you scared is it the constant barrage from the media centering on the doom and gloom misreporting the facts, over dramitizing the situation. Along with running news stories about how bad thing are supposed to be in all these countries, forgetting that Australia shares no boarders with another country, and we are a very large land mass with a small population. we are unlike any other country in the world.

The media dont want to identify where and how the virus spread, except for the Ruby Princes and even then we have no idea how those that disembarked in Sydney, like many who arrived on repatriation flights they left the terminals and journeyed back to their home states by various modes of transportation, some were and others were not placed in quarantine on their arrival. Thats how we got to the peake of infection. Now the majority of infections are comming from people working in the health system infecting others because there is no system to protect the community from them. No state has a proper containment proceedure save shutting as much as they dare with no science to back it up.

Some say trust the experts, how can you when they cannot agree on boarder closures, A few state Premiers using that conflicting opinon to strangle their states, saying they are protecting their people, to that I say "Bull****" their not looking after their states they are hampering them.

Many were ****ting their pants when we less than a thousand cases, panic buying started, racism went up against asians, it wasnt untill we passed 5000 cases did the the government start to publish the the recovery numbers and they continue that fear program to this day. Alas we have conflict and confuson between state government officials and leader all based on personal opinion without factual evidance.

Have I ever feared catching this virus No never because the odds are on my side I have a 99.999% chance of not aquiring covid19, if I did and carked it I dont have a problem I have have a very good full life, I dont fear death its going to happen one day, i have a greater chance of being killed on our roads.

going by your previous posts on this and other forums you are not concerned about catching the virus an you don't seem to worry about who you might share it with if you do catch it. the only reason you have a 99.99 %(your opinion) of not catching the virus is due to the restrictions that are now in place. as the infection rate increases with the lifting of restrictions your odds may be changing

Plain Truth · Guru

bentaxlebabe wrote:
I would also like to add that I have faith in our medical experts in finding a vaccine for this terrible virus but unfortunately we then come up against another selfish group that wont vaccinate themselves or their families.
It will be hard to win this battle unless vaccination is compulsory by law and anyone who is not vaccinated should not be permitted to travel at all anywhere.

Regards

Angie

If a vaccine comes out and you want it,go ahead.Don't try and force it on others.

The last person I would get a vaccine from is Bill Gates,have a look what damage he is doing with them in third world countries,but I don't think you will.

I think you are like a lot of people,have to be told how to think and what to say.That is why you name call other people who have different view than you.

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Sunday 24th of May 2020 03:15:26 PM

Mike Harding · Guru

outlaw40 wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
outlaw40 wrote:
Maybe we just leave it to the experts and do what ever we are told ... Simples .
Some of you people frighten me.
SO Mike Harding are you saying we shouldnt take expert advise..... THATS FRIGHTENING

You, and a few other posters, just don't understand the implications of the sort of government powers currently being exercised do you?

For Australia democracy fell out of the sky, it was never fought for, and it's taken far too much for granted by the complacent citizens of our country.

Many Australians need to read, and comprehend, much, much more history and they would do well to start with Benjamin Franklin in 1775.

Covid-19 will not destroy this country but bad government may....

msg · Guru

I agree with Mike & Plain Truth. People need to think for themselves. Not thinking, blindly following the herd is how Hitler gained so much power and was able to get away with what he did.

There have been quite a few things happen with this virus that I am unable to work out why. It seems to me that the spread was controlled and deliberately infected certain populations.

-- Edited by msg on Sunday 24th of May 2020 04:28:30 PM

dogbox · Guru

msg wrote:

I agree with Mike & Plain Truth. People need to think for themselves. Not thinking, blindly following the herd is how Hitler gained so much power and was able to get away with what he did.
There have been quite a few things happen with this virus that I am unable to work out why. It seems to me that the spread was controlled and deliberately infected certain populations.

-- Edited by msg on Sunday 24th of May 2020 04:28:30 PM

there is speculation the Chinese will put us on the list as soon as they sort out Hong Kong ! they already own a lot of businesses and property here.

Collo · Senior Member

Hang on a minute.....I've ran out of popcorn...back in five!

Oh.. and congrats on over 100 of posts....good fun!

Dougwe · Chief one feather

Here are Collo, I always have some on standby.

Oh! I have checked the weight and all O

K and WDH is not required. I didn't use a Gennie to cook it either.

dogbox · Guru

if we keep going we could solve all the problems of the whole world

Plain Truth · Guru

Keep the popcorn coming,this is a Bill Gates vaccine.Notice this vaccine is only given to females 14 to 49 yrs. of age not males, don't males get Tetanus.

Rob Driver · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:
bentaxlebabe wrote:
I would also like to add that I have faith in our medical experts in finding a vaccine for this terrible virus but unfortunately we then come up against another selfish group that wont vaccinate themselves or their families.
It will be hard to win this battle unless vaccination is compulsory by law and anyone who is not vaccinated should not be permitted to travel at all anywhere.

Regards

Angie
If a vaccine comes out and you want it,go ahead.Don't try and force it on others.
The last person I would get a vaccine from is Bill Gates,have a look what damage he is doing with them in third world countries,but I don't think you will.
I think you are like a lot of people,have to be told how to think and what to say.That is why you name call other people who have different view than you.

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Sunday 24th of May 2020 03:15:26 PM

I am forcing nothing onto anyone.

I have never mentioned, thought about, or even know what your reference to Bill Gates is about.

I was offering my view, and that is what forums are generally about. I have not been told how to think as you put it and while we are at it while you are quoting me why dont you quote where I was name calling.

Vaccines are only successful if we all are to participate.This is a serious virus that China has released on the world.

Just look at history to assess the value of vaccinations throughout time and in particular, the last century.

Regards

Angie

Plain Truth · Guru

"Irresponsible,selfish,". - no need for that, you don't know me. That is what you call people who won't get the vaccine.

I am not against vaccines,but I want to know what is in it,and who made it. Bill Gates can't be trusted.

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Sunday 24th of May 2020 08:11:09 PM

Gundog · Guru

bentaxlebabe said 01:45 PM May 24, 2020 And that just goes to show how very selfish you are. By your own admittance you travelled when we were all asked not to. What would have happened if you had infected someone through your contact while travelling and then visited a town where you stopped and got fuel and supplies or even just went to the toilet, then they in turn infected two others in that town then we have a small community under extreme threat because you travelled? This could even be at your holiday destination. Bare in mind this virus has an incubation period of two weeks. I just cant believe your lack of any compassion for others and if you think your attitude is that of a hero then you need to have a real good look at yourself. No Regards this time Angie Angie I think it's you who needs spend a bit more time understand how where and why this virus was spread pre and post peak. At the time we were travelling we were not contraveneing any laws, it was a recommendation, you seam to you know it all, did you ever speak to those country towns and villages which we visited and ask their thoughts, no we thanked by locals for stopping and supporting their communities. Your what if is a load of rubbish, take note that all the places we visited have had zero infections, before the flare up we were in country NSW. You make the point that we were enroute to our holiday destination, you very wrong with your assumption we are not on holidays, we are at our winter home. Prior to the boarder closure we were in South Central Queensland, our journey to North QLD we were passed by many police vehicles who took no interest in us, and the other 60+ vans on roads. However a discussion with police officer about our intended route and destination, his advice was because we live in our van there was no restriction on travel, but it was possible such restrictions could occur within a few days he suggested we complete our journey as quickly and safely as possible. It was more than a week after our arrival that the QLD government imposed travel restrictions. If we were on holidays would we be intending spend many months here, we have no plans to leave until mid October at the earliest but hope full travel will be allowed before the wet season starts. So answer what kind of Australia do you want one that is run buy Hitleresk leaders removing your civil rights, or one that is true democratic Westminster system of government, because at the moment it's the it's the former the the police are acting like SS thugs under the guise of preventing the escalation of the virus, which has perpetrated by lies, misinformation and government failures and coverups.

DMaxer · Guru

These "boarders" are certainly causing a lot of problems throughout Australia.

When this is all over they will be lucky to find anywhere to live with all the controversy they have created.

Cupie · Guru

DMaxer wrote:
These "boarders" are certainly causing a lot of problems throughout Australia.
When this is all over they will be lucky to find anywhere to live with all the controversy they have created.

LOL

Whenarewethere · Guru

Cupie wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
These "boarders" are certainly causing a lot of problems throughout Australia.
When this is all over they will be lucky to find anywhere to live with all the controversy they have created.
LOL

They need to stick with surfing, skating & the ski fields & do some work for their accommodation!

Mike Harding · Guru

dogbox wrote:
if we keep going we could solve all the problems of the whole world

It's worth a try but those damned Israelis and Palestinians will be a tough nut to crack :)

Whenarewethere · Guru

Unfortunately there are too many idiots who want to create mischief for their own agenda ruining things for the other half!

Recoup · Guru

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention CDC

the way it looks , maybe the lock down was a bit hasty ?

-- Edited by Recoup on Monday 25th of May 2020 04:00:46 PM

Rob Driver · Guru

A few days have now passed since the late afternoon popcorn brigade have been entertained so we should now look at what has transpired.

Unfortunately we have had a poor chap die In Blackwater Qld from the Chinese Virus.
As it has been reported, a nurse from Rockhampton allegedly drove to Blackwater while she was infected. This was only reported after the incident with the mans death became evident.
That mans partner found him when she came home from work, in a very serious state of bad health.
This woman apparently works in a local shop and has probably been dealing with and having contact with hundreds of shop customers and obviously other staff members in the weeks that have lead up to this unfortunate death.
The man himself was off work due to work related injuries and was probably visited by work mates, union officials etc with concern for his welfare.
So the numbers can build not only in the town of Blackwater but in any area where those who have had contact have travelled in the last few weeks.

South Australia has had a very good run when it comes to managing this Chinese virus but it has been now reported that a woman was released from isolation in Victoria on compassionate grounds to cross the border to visit a family member who is sick.
It was just fortunate that she was found to be positive prior to her assimilating into the Adelaide community.
This infected person if not detected would have caused similar problems to the Blackwater incident.

A report on the news last night from Cairns with a film highlite of a group of backpackers on a beach displaying a total disregard for our current rules. I witnessed a similar incident myself two weeks ago.
These backpackers apparently get a permit to work and travel vouched for by farmers for the picking season, but along with the work they get, there lifestyle is just party central at any cost. They just do not care.

These incidents just go to show how irresponsible people can be and potentially how easy this virus can be spread.

The media is a lot to blame for the call to relax the rules, and when I am listening to news services it really makes me feel quite ill.

So to add to my answer above, my thought of ZERO number being the only acceptable number remains and we as a nation should be prepared to deal with this situation in the same way as if we were at a war physically with other countries.

My comments of selfish and irresponsible when it comes to anti vaxers or to those disregarding regulations will remain.

Regards

Angie

Possum3 · Guru

bentaxlebabe wrote:
I would also like to add that I have faith in our medical experts in finding a vaccine for this terrible virus but unfortunately we then come up against another selfish group that wont vaccinate themselves or their families.
It will be hard to win this battle unless vaccination is compulsory by law and anyone who is not vaccinated should not be permitted to travel at all anywhere.

Regards

Angie

That's how we beat Smallpox.

Izabarack · Guru

No new cases found in Qld, Yesterday. One more death in Qld, likely to have caught the infection from someone not following the rules. All those jumping up and down about border closures need to get a grip. My health and the health of mine is much more important than someone's business. Business will struggle until the virus in all of Australia is under control and all businesses can reopen without restriction. Many business people have mostly found a way to continue trading under the restrictions. The new ways will benefit them once the restrictions come off. Qld premier is doing a fantastic job of dealing with the Numpties in other states wanting to spread they virus here.

Iza

Recoup · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:

I am not against vaccines,but I want to know what is in it,and who made it. Bill Gates can't be trusted.

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Sunday 24th of May 2020 08:11:09 PM

Bill Gates is the same person that believes the earth is overpopulated wants to "save " your live with a Vaccine !