Cupie , For over twenty years Bill Gates and his Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) have been vaccinating foremost children by the millions in remote areas of poor countries, mostly Africa and Asia. Most of their vaccination program had disastrous results, causing the very illness (polio, for example in India) and sterilizing young women (Kenya, with modified tetanus vaccines). Many of the children died. Many of the programs were carried out with the backing of the WHO and yes the UN Agency responsible for the Protection of Children, UNICEF.

Most of these vaccination campaigns were implemented without the informed-consent of the children, parents, guardians or teachers, nor with the informed-consent, or with forged consent, of the respective government authorities. In the aftermath, The Gates Foundation was sued by governments around the world, Kenya, India, the Philippines and more. Cheers

And I always thought Windows was Bill's attempt to destroy the world! :)

By putting business before health I can see two businesses that would greatly improve their already profitable bottom line.

In no particular order they would be funeral directors and crematoriums.

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By putting business before health I can see two businesses that would greatly improve their already profitable bottom line.

In no particular order they would be funeral directors and crematoriums.

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 So very well said.

Yesterday, Qld had 4 active cases and no new cases for a couple of days.    South of the closed border, cases are still going up.    Just so smart to keep the virus out.   Business will rebound quickly when all restrictions are lifter once the threat of a Second Wave is gone.    Yes, I am all for health before business.

Iza

Just to keep the ball rolling .. towards the 6 page mark ...

From one of my regular e newspapers 'The New Daily' ..

(Count me in with the majority--  looks like I need to get serious about planning my SWQ trip .. perhaps start early Sept & get out of the SE before Qld School Hols start on 19 Sept & then hope that the borders are not opened before XMAS)

 

However, a new survey by the Australia Institute suggests more than three quarters of Australians support states closing their borders to interstate travel.

Strong support was recorded in NSW (70 per cent), Victoria (76 per cent), Queensland (78 per cent) and Western Australia (88 per cent) in the survey of 1005 people.

The strong support for state border closures shows that while there is much public relief with some public health restrictions lifting, there is also still much community concern regarding the spread of COVID19, the institutes executive director Ben Oquist said.

NSW is allowing holiday travel inside state boundaries from Monday while Victorians will be permitted to stay in holiday homes and attend tourist accommodation such as caravan parks and camping grounds.

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is on Sunday expected to give the green light for residents to holiday within the state in time for the June school break.

 

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Keep in in mind the Australia Institute is a left leaning organization with a political agenda. The survey is all Labor held states except for NSW, which has the lowest support for opening the borders. Albeit still a majority. Just saying. Keep an open mind with any survey.

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 That applies to ALL of these 'Institutes' of course, including the plethora of right wing ones.

IMHO we ALL view the world through our own biased prisims.

I have no hesitation in publicly declaring my Left wing leanings and get great entertainment guessing the leanings of others particularly those who claim to be unbiased etc.  I sometimes think that those who point to the leanings of particular organisations are really saying that that organisation's views don't agree with their own biased views/sources.   

This is a general observation only, and definitely not intended as a personal attack on or particular reference to bgt, or for that matter any other forum member. 

 

BTW ... It was just announced on my favourite (& only) radio station the ABC of course, that we can now (from lunch time tomorrow I think) travel unrestricted inside Qld.

FWIW the last election was the first time I voted for the LNP in over 30 years. I'm not a right wing loonie!! What ever that is. But I do come from a business background.

In an earlier life I was involved in statistics. I studied for a degree involving the study of statistics. My comments about ANY statistics or surveys is to take them with a huge grain of salt. Almost all surveys can be used to give you the results that suit your argument.

The Australian Institute is known to be left leaning, They excluded all states. The survey was only of 1005 people. So how much reliance can be put on their figures???

Hey rocket and cupie, They've finished painting the silos in Yelarbon a few weeks ago and there was a nice low cost camp there too if it is open. I didn't get to see the first installment of the painted silos but it is on my list for later in the year.

Also I agree that a survey can be biased depending the age group you ask, the neighbourhood you ask the questions etc. Now it's almost all on line and I do some myself and I did do one on the virus some time back, but not this one. Pre online surveys, I worked for a couple years for AC Nielsen as a door to door field officer asking people to answer survey questions. Was a very interesting job.

Cheers.

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FWIW the last election was the first time I voted for the LNP in over 30 years. I'm not a right wing loonie!! What ever that is. But I do come from a business background.

In an earlier life I was involved in statistics. I studied for a degree involving the study of statistics. My comments about ANY statistics or surveys is to take them with a huge grain of salt. Almost all surveys can be used to give you the results that suit your argument.

The Australian Institute is known to be left leaning, They excluded all states. The survey was only of 1005 people. So how much reliance can be put on their figures???

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 Our similarities are interesting  .

I too have not voted for LMP for >30 years.  Nor am I a Left wing loonie & I too come from a business background.  In my case the Business started as a Govt owned monopoly with around 80,000 employees when I joined at age 15 1/2 at about the bottom or at least in the bottom 1000.  Some 42 years later when I retired from the same, then listed company of about 40,000 employees I was a Regional Operations Manager/Executive in the top 400. (having had at least 3 different 'careers' along the way, all within the company)

I too studied Tertiary level statistics but was more apt at Economics with a dash of Logic thrown in for good measure.  We have agreement that statistical studies can be skewed by the unwary or indeed by the very wary to give a particular or invalid outcome (one of my favourite papers on the subject is 'How to Lie With Statistics' .. available as a free download).

I agree that the very small sample size of the survey & an unknown demographic calls its accuracy into question and certainly expands its probable margin of error.  

The political history of The Australia Institute Director Ben Oquist within The Greens perhaps places him in the left of Au Politics.   If you pick another such Institute it is probable that you would find similar entrenched political influences from the left or right.

 

Mike Harding ..  A memorable episode of Yes Minister.   My Wife gave me a boxed set of the complete series of Yes Minister & Yes Prime Minister way back when.  I take a copy with me in the Van to re-watch when the TV is showing 'days of our lives' or whatever.  I love them & a great point is made in this particular episode.

 

Gaylehere  .. On our last southern trip we wandered through the much publicised Silo Art Trail north of Horsham  (Rupanyup, Sheep Hills, Roseberry, Lascelles & Patchewollock I think).  Great they were too.  Amazing artistry.

Since enjoying them we have noticed that there are hundreds of them spread around the country & we are always on the look out for more.

Our next planned trip has the option of returning home thru Yelarbon (an old stomping ground of mine) so I'll include it in the 'Things to See' file.  Thanks for the heads up.   

In my pre trip planning I set out a list of probable towns or regions that we may visit & make up a file/book with relevant web sites & print outs of things to see or do, possible camp sites, distances & CPs et. al.   A bit over the top I know but it keeps me busy between trips.   SWMBO reads the stuff out as we travel keeping us both awake & provides a basis for further research as we arrive in an area.  I have recently adopted the practice of leaving a few pages blank against each spot to serve as a diary.  A necessary thing for me as my memory rapidly fades.  Serves to settle arguments around the BBQ as we relate our travel experiences to long suffering guests.

 

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Wih the current situation in the USA where the protesting, has descended into looting destruction and civil disobedience. Social distancing seems to be totally forgotten, even the use of face masks would be considered more a identity cover than a health consideration. Social distancing requirements as a part of the barrier against the spread of Covid19 will surely put to the test, if the proponents of social distancing are right we should see a massive explosion of positive cases of Covid19 across the USA. If we don't then the whole social distancing requirements will be put under the microscope with savvy law firms mounting class actions across the world. If you are a business owner or individual who suffered financial losses would you join such a class action to recoup your losses.

So they let someone from Victoria fly into Qld and he thanks us by bringing the virus with him. The border restrictions need to be tightened up, a lot.

Iza

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.......... border closures are irrelevant.............

Supporters should be allowed to go to the footy, what the difference the protests are supported by the social apologists and loony left, the footy is supported for fun and entertainment.

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 Clearly, border closures are not irrelevant, as my example shows.   Apparently, now there are about 50 close contacts being monitored for infection.    The fantastic work done by Qld state authorities is on the verge of being undone by the act of one person from interstate.

Calling people social apologists and from the loony left, shows only a lack of logical argument for lifting restrictions.    Attempts to insult do not negate the scientific evidence and advice from qualified professionals on how best to deal with the pandemic.    I don't need a football competition for my fun and entertainment so why should my health be put at risk for those who cannot find some other way to enjoy some fun and entertainment?

Iza

Does anyone know where I can get a couple of those BLM signs? If I had some I could stick them on my van and then be able to go anywhere I like, meet up with as many people as I like, free from any restrictions.

It was only a couple of weeks ago that a long planned for birthday celebration for my mum's 100th birthday had to be postponed and instead of family, grand kids and great grand kids plus family friends, the occasion was attended just by two of us. We accepted this as we knew we had to play our part in ensuring the virus did not spread.

I accept that restrictions were and are not only necessary but vital to our well being but I wonder who will explain to all those people who have lost their employment and could lose their homes in a few months, that yesterday's events were not subject to the same rules and restrictions by which they had to abide.

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Does anyone know where I can get a couple of those BLM signs? If I had some I could stick them on my van and then be able to go anywhere I like, meet up with as many people as I like, free from any restrictions.

It was only a couple of weeks ago that a long planned for birthday celebration for my mum's 100th birthday had to be postponed and instead of family, grand kids and great grand kids plus family friends, the occasion was attended just by two of us. We accepted this as we knew we had to play our part in ensuring the virus did not spread.

I accept that restrictions were and are not only necessary but vital to our well being but I wonder who will explain to all those people who have lost their employment and could lose their homes in a few months, that yesterday's events were not subject to the same rules and restrictions by which they had to abide.

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a lot of areas were put off limits for travel, to protect the remote indigenous communities. it would seem that if people attended any of these protests contracted the virus, then had any contact with anyone from those communities it may have been a wasted effort .
we seem to have done the hard yards to keep this virus under control with minimum dead people . i hope the pain, both social and financial was not a waste. if our "second wave" runs rampant now because we are getting complacent then maybe we should have bit the bullet from day one let people do what they wanted ,when they wanted an said 10-15000 dead people was the cost of our freedom.