Coon Gone

Craig1 · Guru

Coon Gone

Rob Driver · Guru

These arent my words but taken as a copy from FB today.

Form your own opinions.....

COON BRANDED CHEESE IN AUSTRALIA

Coonabarabran = aboriginal word for inquisitive person.
Coonamble = local aboriginal word for lots of faeces
Coonalpyn = aboriginal word for barren woman.
Coonawarra = aboriginal word for honeysuckle
Coongulmerang = local aboriginal word for waterholes

Coon = a brand of cheese very common in Australia

Did we note that white folk werent offended with the above towns

Some Australians just need to harden up.

Regards

Angie

Craig1 · Guru

Ang, it was the Canadian Boss of Saputo( they own Coon Cheese and Warrnabool Dairies etc etc.) who lacked SPINE

Phillipn · Guru

bentaxlebabe wrote:
These arent my words but taken as a copy from FB today.

Form your own opinions.....

COON BRANDED CHEESE IN AUSTRALIA

Coonabarabran = aboriginal word for inquisitive person.
Coonamble = local aboriginal word for lots of faeces
Coonalpyn = aboriginal word for barren woman.
Coonawarra = aboriginal word for honeysuckle
Coongulmerang = local aboriginal word for waterholes

Coon = a brand of cheese very common in Australia

Did we note that white folk werent offended with the above towns

Some Australians just need to harden up.

Regards

Angie

Had Steven Hagans mother been a coonalpyn, we would still have Coon cheese. White people will not be offended by this comment.

Rob Driver · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
Ang, it was the Canadian Boss of Saputo( they own Coon Cheese and Warrnabool Dairies etc etc.) who lacked SPINE

Craig 1

Yes the decision is disturbing as is the initial grief or complaint.

All these unnecessary things really detract from the more important issues in this country.

Phillipn

I hear you....

Regards

Angie

-- Edited by bentaxlebabe on Friday 31st of July 2020 03:44:57 PM

Brownie 64 · Veteran Member

The BLM movement over here has lost any chance of ever gaining any respect from me.

Recently in Perth at their protest, I saw via a broadcast a Aboriginal Elder ranting from the podium with real hatred in his voice quote,

`You can still smell the stench of colonialism here today` & the crowd cheered.

As a proud Australian whose 5th great grandfather first stepped foot onto this land on the 26/1/1788 & 5th great grandmother arrived on the second fleet, I find it difficult to understand his reasoning, Australia has developed into arguably the best country in the world because of colonialism.

I understand the past had its fair share of brutality & that both sides played their part in that, but you what, its now 2020, history is history & it cant be changed, seems some wont let it go.

My surname is Brown & damned proud of it!

dogbox · Guru

Brownie 64 wrote:

The BLM movement over here has lost any chance of ever gaining any respect from me.

Recently in Perth at their protest, I saw via a broadcast a Aboriginal Elder ranting from the podium with real hatred in his voice quote,

`You can still smell the stench of colonialism here today` & the crowd cheered.

As a proud Australian whose 5th great grandfather first stepped foot onto this land on the 26/1/1788 & 5th great grandmother arrived on the second fleet, I find it difficult to understand his reasoning, Australia has developed into arguably the best country in the world because of colonialism.

I understand the past had its fair share of brutality & that both sides played their part in that, but you what, its now 2020, history is history & it cant be changed, seems some wont let it go.

My surname is Brown & damned proud of it!

the chinese ,dutch ,french ,russian all came here as well. i wonder how things would be if one of them became the dominate coloniser of this land
would there even be a BLM movment in this country

-- Edited by dogbox on Tuesday 4th of August 2020 02:11:51 PM

DMaxer · Guru

Or perhaps the Spanish or later on the Japanese in the 1940s. I think I would be right in saying we would not be listening to these protesters now if one of those two nations had arrived in numbers.

dorian · Guru

Why do AngloSaxons think that their brand of colonialism/imperialism was benevolent? To me it's all repugnant, no matter who's doing it. The protester was right, colonialism stinks.

If you want to argue about the contributions made by Australia's conquerors, then just think where a country with the lion's share of all the world's resources would be today, economically, if Japan had won the war. We'd be making stuff, lot's of it, not just digging holes in the ground. That's our Menzoid legacy, courtesy of his British masters.

Craig1 · Guru

Just think how they made the Burma Railway, mate

Brownie 64 · Veteran Member

Dorian, so your one those that thinks 26/1/1788 was invasion day, a have a few four & seven letter names for people like you!

I have family members who served in the RAAF, RAN & ARMY to stop the tyranny of Japan & some paid the ultimate price!

So you dont forget it was the Allied Forces.

On the subject of digging holes in the ground, you could dig a hole a bury yourself in it!

Get over yourself, your not as smart as you would like to think you are.

dogbox · Guru

dorian wrote:

Why do AngloSaxons think that their brand of colonialism/imperialism was benevolent? To me it's all repugnant, no matter who's doing it. The protester was right, colonialism stinks.

If you want to argue about the contributions made by Australia's conquerors, then just think where a country with the lion's share of all the world's resources would be today, economically, if Japan had won the war. We'd be making stuff, lot's of it, not just digging holes in the ground. That's our Menzoid legacy, courtesy of his British masters.

if anyone thinks that a peice of this earth as rich in minerals and resources as australia would be left in it's natural state untouched by none except indigidious people should have a rethink and think what could have happened if history was changed and one of the other "civilized nations" set up camp or invaded.
europe, midle eastern, asian countries have been at war since history began .who ever had the biggest army was the boss .

if japan had won the war, they usually treated their conquered populations as slave labour .

Mike Harding · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
Just think how they made the Burma Railway, mate

Well said, a salient reminder.

dorian · Guru

dogbox wrote:
if japan had won the war, they usually treated their conquered populations as slave labour .

You're forgetting the coolies and kanakas who were exploited in the making of this country, or do you think that blackbirding is OK when you're doing it?

BTW, my reference to Japan was economic, not societal. Of course they would have been ruthless masters, but that wasn't the point I was making. I was addressing the argument that the British were entitled to this country because they made better use of it than the aboriginals. By that same argument, the Japanese would have felt entitled to this country because they would have made better use of it than the British.

In fact the British could have purchased this country from the aboriginal owners for a song, but they chose to steal it instead. Remember that Manhattan was purchased from the native Americans for a handful of wampum beads, or so the story goes. Terra Australis wouldn't have cost much more, and we wouldn't have a Mabo legacy to contend with.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 5th of August 2020 06:14:13 AM

Mike Harding · Guru

dorian wrote:
In fact the British could have purchased this country from the aboriginal owners for a song, but they chose to steal it instead. Remember that Manhattan was purchased from the native Americans for a handful of wampum beads, or so the story goes. Terra Australis wouldn't have cost much more, and we wouldn't have a Mabo legacy to contend with.

So you consider that a technically advanced race who understand much about the value of this land "purchasing" it from a stone age tribe for a few shiny baubles is a morally superior position?

Today we call such behaviour insider trading.

The British were not perfect colonisers (no one ever could be) but they brought many advantages to the countries they occupied and the world as a whole.

History is gone - it's as dead as that parrot and people need to stop wasting their lives whining about the past and instead get on with making a better world for tomorrow.

dorian · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:

So you consider that a technically advanced race who understand much about the value of this land "purchasing" it from a stone age tribe for a few shiny baubles is a morally superior position?
History is gone - it's as dead as that parrot and people need to stop wasting their lives whining about the past and instead get on with making a better world for tomorrow.

Who is to say that what is a "bauble" to you isn't valuable as currency to another?

As strange as it may seem, a white fella in today's world will pay as much as $1 million for a diamond, but to me it's just a useless rock (a "shiny bauble", as you put it).

As for history, people should acknowledge their country's past wrongdoings, not laud them. Imperialism was bad and will always be bad, and people should not attempt to justify it. Moving Australia Day to a mutually acceptable date would be a painless thing to do, and it would do much to heal the rifts with indigenous peoples. For example, the real Australia Day should be the day that this country became a federation. Any reference to Invasion Day would then be moot.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 5th of August 2020 07:32:06 AM

Phillipn · Guru

dorian wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:

So you consider that a technically advanced race who understand much about the value of this land "purchasing" it from a stone age tribe for a few shiny baubles is a morally superior position?
History is gone - it's as dead as that parrot and people need to stop wasting their lives whining about the past and instead get on with making a better world for tomorrow.
Who is to say that what is a "bauble" to you isn't valuable as currency to another?
As strange as it may seem, a white fella in today's world will pay as much as $1 million for a diamond, but to me it's just a useless rock (a "shiny bauble", as you put it).
As for history, people should acknowledge their country's past wrongdoings, not laud them. Imperialism was bad and will always be bad, and people should not attempt to justify it. Moving Australia Day to a mutually acceptable date would be a painless thing to do, and it would do much to heal the rifts with indigenous peoples. For example, the real Australia Day should be the day that this country became a federation. Any reference to Invasion Day would then be moot.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 5th of August 2020 07:32:06 AM

What a load of crap.

Whenarewethere · Guru

dorian wrote:

Who is to say that what is a "bauble" to you isn't valuable as currency to another?
As strange as it may seem, a white fella in today's world will pay as much as $1 million for a diamond, but to me it's just a useless rock (a "shiny bauble", as you put it).
As for history, people should acknowledge their country's past wrongdoings, not laud them. Imperialism was bad and will always be bad, and people should not attempt to justify it. Moving Australia Day to a mutually acceptable date would be a painless thing to do, and it would do much to heal the rifts with indigenous peoples. For example, the real Australia Day should be the day that this country became a federation. Any reference to Invasion Day would then be moot.

Very well said.

dogbox · Guru

dorian wrote:

dogbox wrote:
if japan had won the war, they usually treated their conquered populations as slave labour .
You're forgetting the coolies and kanakas who were exploited in the making of this country, or do you think that blackbirding is OK when you're doing it?
BTW, my reference to Japan was economic, not societal. Of course they would have been ruthless masters, but that wasn't the point I was making. I was addressing the argument that the British were entitled to this country because they made better use of it than the aboriginals. By that same argument, the Japanese would have felt entitled to this country because they would have made better use of it than the British.
In fact the British could have purchased this country from the aboriginal owners for a song, but they chose to steal it instead. Remember that Manhattan was purchased from the native Americans for a handful of wampum beads, or so the story goes. Terra Australis wouldn't have cost much more, and we wouldn't have a Mabo legacy to contend with.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 5th of August 2020 06:14:13 AM

blackbirding, slavery should be condemed but they are a fact of world history. what the colonisiers from the past did, may now be look upon as wrong. that is the way it was, but it is still going on today slavery is still more common than most people realise .

-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 5th of August 2020 08:14:56 AM

Mike Harding · Guru

Dorian: your attempt to divert the discussion rather than deal with the moral conflict you created for yourself is noted.

In any event:

Remember: without Invasion Day there would be no Centrelink....

dorian · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Dorian: your attempt to divert the discussion rather than deal with the moral conflict you created for yourself is noted.

It should be possible to objectively quantify the value of a wampum bead. I'll leave you to make the comparisons and do the arithmetic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase

"The purchase [of Alaska from Russia] added 586,412 square miles (1,518,800 km2) of new territory to the United States for the cost of $7.2 million, or 2 cents per acre (4.7 cents per hectare)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase

"The Louisiana Territory was vast, stretching from the Gulf of Mexico in the south to Rupert's Land in the north, and from the Mississippi River in the east to the Rocky Mountains in the west. Acquiring the territory [from France] doubled the size of the United States, at a sum of less than 3 cents per acre."

dogbox · Guru

dorian wrote:

Mike Harding wrote:
Dorian: your attempt to divert the discussion rather than deal with the moral conflict you created for yourself is noted.
It should be possible to objectively quantify the value of a wampum bead. I'll leave you to make the comparisons and do the arithmetic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase
"The purchase [of Alaska from Russia] added 586,412 square miles (1,518,800 km2) of new territory to the United States for the cost of $7.2 million, or 2 cents per acre (4.7 cents per hectare)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase
"The Louisiana Territory was vast, stretching from the Gulf of Mexico in the south to Rupert's Land in the north, and from the Mississippi River in the east to the Rocky Mountains in the west. Acquiring the territory [from France] doubled the size of the United States, at a sum of less than 3 cents per acre."

was it theirs to sell ?

dorian · Guru

dogbox wrote:
was it theirs to sell ?

I was addressing the question of whether the native Americans got a fair price for Manhattan Island. That was the basis of Mike Harding's accusation in regards to a perceived moral conflict. To answer the question I examined two land purchases between two Caucasian/European parties with similar value systems. The total area of the island is 33.58 square miles so, at 3c per acre, that works out to $645. That's the value that Europeans would have placed on the property in 1803, almost 200 years after the original sale.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 5th of August 2020 01:55:26 PM

Mike Harding · Guru

Dorian: when you are at the bottom of the hole... stop digging.

dorian · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Dorian: when you are at the bottom of the hole... stop digging.

I don't have any problem with anything I've said. On the contrary, those people who are extolling the virtues of imperialism really ought to stop and examine their consciences.

Craig1 · Guru

My Australian ancestors , 1st one came to Australia in 1834, a convict. He got a ticket of leave and then did ok. Others came from England via USA in one case during 1850's to 1890's. The last one(maternal grandmother) came here in 1919 as a " war bride" from Scotland. Somehow met my Grandfather, who survived day1 at Gallipoli and met her in Scotland in 1918.
What does that make me then if not an Australian and proud of it. I cannot go back to Scotland and claim that I am one quarter Scots, and get a share of their oil money, just by saying it.
The past is done and cannot be changed. I would like to think that none of our members would commit any of the past misdeeds, but nothing we can do about them. Don't forget that Aboriginal people did kill settlers, what else can I call them? , not invaders to my mind.

And as a ps, did not John Batman buy Melbourne and surrounds, for not much, but it was a purchase.

Craig1 · Guru

Well it is official, from July 2021 it will be " Cheer Cheese" how did they get a trademark on a common use word like " CHEER " ?
There will be at least me and a talk back lady who will not buy it.

Cheer , Craig