check out the new remote control Jockey Wheel SmartBar Canegrowers rearview170 Cobb Grill Skid Row Recovery Gear
Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: Too much sink & cupboards


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:
Too much sink & cupboards


So I designed a Corner Triangle system that is multi functional..It has a hand held shower hose for the only water supply..A Portable in & out sink,a portaloo in bottom.A backsplash of tin...A removable Triangle bench also for food preps make this 2 ft X 2 ft area is a 5 in 1 functions.No cupboards & no doors

__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 5378
Date:

Hi Erilala

Welcome to the forum

Is there any chance of a few pics, of what you have done, it may give some of us, some ideas for the future

__________________

Tony

It cost nothing to be polite



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:

It's being patented

__________________


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:

Gee you mean outright THEFT-!!! My relative is a Lawyer/ Builder whose made 3 protypes to show Jayco next week,byeee



__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3801
Date:

What a strange thread!confuse



__________________

Cheers,

Santa.

Moonta, Copper Coast, South Aust.



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:

-"" it may give some of us,some ideas for the future-" why would a smart person Give Away ideas-??""



__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3801
Date:

Why even bother to mention it?biggrin



__________________

Cheers,

Santa.

Moonta, Copper Coast, South Aust.



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:

Why do you persist with dumb comments-?

__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 5378
Date:

In reply to this
Gee you mean outright THEFT-!!! My relative is a Lawyer/ Builder whose made 3 protypes to show Jayco next week,byeee
And this
it may give some of us,some ideas for the future-" why would a smart person Give Away ideas-??

Sorry I asked for a pic, so please have a nice day

I can assure you, that the Grey Nomad forum members, I have met so far

Are not the sort of people, who would steal another persons idea of making a

Corner Triangle system that is multi functional..It has a hand held shower hose for the only water supply..A Portable in & out sink,a portaloo in bottom.A backsplash of tin...A removable Triangle bench also for food preps make this 2 ft X 2 ft area is a 5 in 1 functions.No cupboards & no doors

Just in case you are unaware, Australia went to the metric system of measurement in 1974, so you will probably have to change your 2 ft X 2 ft area 

The patent office would probably like to see something like 0.6096 Metres X 0.6096 Metres, or 60.96 Centimetres X 60.96 Centimetres, or 609.6 Millimetres X 609.6 Millimetres

 

 

 



__________________

Tony

It cost nothing to be polite



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 4375
Date:

It's being patented

Intellectual property was a significant part of my previous employment. Do you have any idea what a full patent costs? And I doubt very much if it is patentable anyhow. This sounds like a "development" not a patentable new concept. A registered design may be worthwhile, but that is very different from a patent.

If it is patented, you then need to be capable of prosecuting someone who breaches that patent. If you don't have the financial capability to do that you are wasting your money patenting it in the first place.

Here is a better overhead cupboard arrangement you can all have for free. biggrin New and different? Yes. Patentable? Maybe? Worth patenting? No.

A 13 second video clip.

Cheers,

Peter



__________________

OKA196, 4x4 'C' Class, DIY, self contained motorhome. 960W of solar, 400Ah of AGMs, 310L water, 280L fuel. https://www.oka4wd.com/forum/members-vehicles-public/569-oka196-xt-motorhome
 

 



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:

I'm quite sure a Lawyer who is also a Builder is extremely well educated & qualified to-" millimetre-" everything"

__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 5378
Date:

Erilala wrote:

I'm quite sure a Lawyer who is also a Builder is extremely well educated & qualified to-" millimetre-" everything"


Quote

 Triangle bench also for food preps make this 2 ft X 2 ft area is a 5 in 1 functions

Unquote

I must be mistaken then, but I always thought, that ft was an abbreviation for foot/feet, as in 1 foot = 12 inches, 2 feet = 24 inches type of measurements



__________________

Tony

It cost nothing to be polite



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 4706
Date:

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

It's being patented

Intellectual property was a significant part of my previous employment. Do you have any idea what a full patent costs? And I doubt very much if it is patentable anyhow. This sounds like a "development" not a patentable new concept. A registered design may be worthwhile, but that is very different from a patent.

If it is patented, you then need to be capable of prosecuting someone who breaches that patent. If you don't have the financial capability to do that you are wasting your money patenting it in the first place.


 

Spot on.

Full patents are almost always a waste of time and money for small business. The patent takes an age to obtain, is expensive and will normally have patent attorney fees on the top. And in the meantime the Chinese, who don't give a toss about your patent application, have already manufactured the product and are selling it.

On top of all that; once you obtain your patent and a large company infringes it the cost of proving that in court is astronomical and way, way beyond small business.

There use to be, in Australia, something called an "Innovation Patent" which had some small merit - I don't know if it still exists.

I gave up on patents years ago and, instead, concentrated on niche areas where the big boys were not interested.



__________________

 

"I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible you may be mistaken"

Oliver Cromwell, 3rd August 1650 - in a letter to the General Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 28
Date:

Picked to death by the -" beakers-"

__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 4375
Date:

Mike Harding wrote:
And in the meantime the Chinese, who don't give a toss about your patent application, have already manufactured the product and are selling it.

 Actually, a patent does not stop someone making something, it stops them selling it in the country or countries covered by the patent, so a patent taken out for Australia (for instance) effectively stops the Chinese (or anyone else) from selling the product in Australia (but no where else) without a license agreement from the patent owner.

A full "world wide" patent used to cost in excess of $100,000 to establish 25 years ago, plus the ongoing annual fees. It won't be less now. There are much cheaper ways to get coverage, but if there is a breach or a challenge, the full fees for the patent plus the court costs of defending it must all be paid eventually if the cover is to be maintained.

It is also quite legal to manufacture ONE ONLY of a patented product for your own personal use, but you may not sell it (or even give it away) to someone else.

Cheers,

Peter



__________________

OKA196, 4x4 'C' Class, DIY, self contained motorhome. 960W of solar, 400Ah of AGMs, 310L water, 280L fuel. https://www.oka4wd.com/forum/members-vehicles-public/569-oka196-xt-motorhome
 

 



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 4706
Date:

My understanding is there is no such thing as a world wide patent. I think there is agreement between the major industrial countries that they will recognise the validity of each other's patents but you need to register it in the foreign country for that to happen - no doubt this process requires fees and lawyers (= more fees).

I'll leave patents to the multi-nationals.



__________________

 

"I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible you may be mistaken"

Oliver Cromwell, 3rd August 1650 - in a letter to the General Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 4375
Date:

"World wide".
Correct.
There are groups of countries that you can choose to use or not and others that are separate, so for maximum coverage the application needs to be submitted multiple times in multiple jurisdictions. That is one of the reasons it becomes so expensive.
It is only the countries that the product will be sold in that need to be covered though, so for an RV product you would typically choose USA and Europe first off. Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc become relatively minor additional choices depending on the product.
Cheers,
Peter

__________________

OKA196, 4x4 'C' Class, DIY, self contained motorhome. 960W of solar, 400Ah of AGMs, 310L water, 280L fuel. https://www.oka4wd.com/forum/members-vehicles-public/569-oka196-xt-motorhome
 

 



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 44
Date:

Agree with Santa ! What a tosser !!

__________________


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 291
Date:

Mmm so you are going to prepare food on top of the loo ?

__________________

Keep your eyes open so you can see where you are heading



Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 8493
Date:

I think this thread should be moved to "Just Joking" Forum - It has amused me.

__________________

Possum; AKA:- Ali El-Aziz Mohamed Gundawiathan

Sent from my imperial66 typewriter using carrier pigeon, message sticks and smoke signals.

Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us
Purchase Grey Nomad bumper stickers Read our daily column, the Nomad News The Grey Nomad's Guidebook