Corona Virus - Please keep this non political

Izabarack · Guru

RE: Corona Virus - Please keep this non political

Snail · Senior Member

State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.

Between January 1 and August 26, 466 Victorians took their own lives. This was broadly consistent with the same period last year, when 468 Victorians died by suicide, and in 2018, when 461 Victorians took their own lives in the eight months to August 26. The numbers are higher than the same period in 2016, when there were 420 suicides.

The findings contradict widespread assumptions that the number of suicides had been higher this year under the pressures of COVID-19 lockdowns, anxiety about the pandemic, job losses and financial insecurity

Craig1 · Guru

I saw that Snail, and struggled to reconcile with all the reported depression and apparent suicide rates. Maybe like the "catch up deaths" for Covid. Yet another statistic or "lies ,damn lies and bloody damn lies"

msg · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
I saw that Snail, and struggled to reconcile with all the reported depression and apparent suicide rates. Maybe like the "catch up deaths" for Covid. Yet another statistic or "lies ,damn lies and bloody damn lies"

Maybe its scare tactics by the anti lockdowners, payback to the perceived? scare tactics used about the virus.

Mike Harding · Guru

Snail wrote:
State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.

Yet again, someone who fixates on one number and thinks it proves everything he wants it to prove.

Izabarack · Guru

Snail wrote:
State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.

That makes it hard for those who insist that the Lockdowns have increased rates of suicide. Discussion of suicide rates without showing a verifiable causal path to a trigger is like clutching at straws. An arguable point is that the increased focus on mental health issues is having a positive effect on suicide rates.

Iza

Tony LEE · Guru

msg wrote:
Tony LEE, This is an apolitical thread. Keep it that way.

What? You and bgt prefer looney conspiracy theories do you.

dorian · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Snail wrote:
State Coroner John Cain on Thursday released fresh data on the number of suicide deaths between January 1 and August 26, showing there were two fewer suicides in Victoria compared with the same time last year.

Yet again, someone who fixates on one number and thinks it proves everything he wants it to prove.

"Snail" was merely addressing the claim that ...

... the number of suicides had been higher this year under the pressures of COVID-19 lockdowns, anxiety about the pandemic, job losses and financial insecurity.

To address this claim, only two numbers are relevant -- last year's suicide rate and this year's. Since this year's number is lower than last year's, "Snail" has proven all that he set out to prove.

oldbloke · Guru

Aust. pop 25 ml 788 deaths

Sweden pop 10 ml 5,846 deaths

Aust 31,721 to 1 chance of dying.

Sweden 1,710 to 1 chance of dying. Interestingly amost identical to USA which is 1,708 to 1 chance of dying of covid.

Greg 1 · Guru

So you want facts. Try this one. WA has shut down tight and went pretty early. It is still maintaining a hard border closure. We currently have very low numbers of Covid and no community transmission. We are operating, economy wise, almost normally. Yes there are still some businesses which are affected by the border shutdown, but most are back operating reasonably well. I have reason to visit a lot of businesses and many are reporting a bumper year as West Australians are having to stay home in WA and are spending their money here. So this is the fact. If you lock the place down properly, people obey the rules, the economy will bounce back if you get on top of the virus and stay on top of it. So for all you conspiracy theorists and other less than intelligent people suggesting that we should fling open the borders, let it run rampant, sacrifice our vulnerable people, I say that you are in the minority and you need to crawl back under your rock and stop spouting rubbish.

Grandad5 · Senior Member

Izabarack wrote:
Grandad5 wrote:
.... a link to the Swedish report please?

Thanks, Iza, but not exactly what I was looking for. The figures for cases, deaths per million etc are all widely available.

What I was hoping to see was the effect on their economy. All I found was one sentence. "Notably the economy was not saved from contraction by the approach."

Thanks anyway.

Jim

Izabarack · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
So you want facts. Try this one. WA has shut down tight and went pretty early. It is still maintaining a hard border closure. We currently have very low numbers of Covid and no community transmission. We are operating, economy wise, almost normally.

So for all you conspiracy theorists and other less than intelligent people suggesting that we should fling open the borders, let it run rampant, sacrifice our vulnerable people, I say that you are in the minority and you need to crawl back under your rock and stop spouting rubbish.

Qld is almost the same. The current outbreak has been traced back to one naughty person who failed to comply with the border restrictions.

I do agree with your last sentence but would have used less harsh language. I would have referred to those without fact based arguments and those who have no qualifications in public health. A couple of state premiers have got it right and even the actions of Dan the Man seem to have things moving in the desired direction, despite differences of opinion regarding the details.

Iza

Mike Harding · Guru

dorian wrote:
"Snail" was merely addressing the claim that ...
... the number of suicides had been higher this year under the pressures of COVID-19 lockdowns, anxiety about the pandemic, job losses and financial insecurity.
To address this claim, only two numbers are relevant -- last year's suicide rate and this year's. Since this year's number is lower than last year's, "Snail" has proven all that he set out to prove.

No; those are not the only two numbers to be considered. The
distribution curve also needs to be taken into account.

I thought I proved the point in my Japan post that one cannot simply
grab numbers in isolation and project them to virtually any
conclusion one wishes to establish, obviously I was not clear enough.

And, keep in mind, a successful suicide is not the single indicator
of psychiatric distress; how many self harm and unsuccessful suicides
have there been, how much family violence, how much has drug/alcohol
abuse increased etc?

Also, give it time, wait until Job Keeper/Seeker ends and the bank
mortgage/loan holiday finishes - one hell of a lot of people are
going to be under severe stress then.

It may all be roses for you as, thank God, it happens to be for me
and mine but a lot of people are/will be very hard hit. Have a care.

Mike Harding · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
So for all you conspiracy theorists and other less than intelligent people

I say that you are in the minority and you need to crawl back under your rock and stop spouting rubbish.

Do you really think abusing people with who you disagree is the best
way to get your point across and convince them of your argument?

In your mind is calling someone a dickhead or the like a winning
argument strategy? I suppose it must be.

Disagree strongly with someone, by all means, even getting a little
heated is fine but *respect* others right to hold an opinion which
differs from yours and that that does not make them an "idiot" or
"something which crawled from under a rock".

You do not have a monopoly on wisdom.

Plain Truth · Guru

Worth a look,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBjW_k95m3c