When looking at polls you always have to look at who is asking the question and what the question is. The ABC does a lot of on line polls. But the ABC attracts a lot of left leaning readers. So the results are biased. Do the same with Sky and you get the bias. Trump, Johnson and Morrison are all there despite what the polls said.

Forget the poll , has anyone watched the video ? Ron Paul is pointing out some important news we don't hear in the media.

I watched the video, from start to finish

It seemed to be very selective reporting

I got the impression, (so I could be wrong), that they were both pushing the anti lockdown/mask wheelbarrow

The Victorian lockdown has been brought into question, since it was revealed by Prof Sutton who threw Dictator Dan under the bus, it appears that the curfew and lockdown were not on medical advice, but solely to aid police enforcement.

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

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To the question "Is the lockdown a mistake"?

Australia has had 762 deaths from Covid-19, that is 30 deaths per 1 million population.

Sweden has not had lock downs. Their death rate per 1 million population is 577. If that was the same for Australia's population, that would be 14,425 deaths (so far).
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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And Japan, with no lockdown, has had 1400 deaths in a population of 126M or 11 deaths per million - so, clearly, lockdowns down work.

Moral: Simply quoting figures in complex situations without considering all the other data is pointless and misleading.

I've been to Japan & they have a culture of social distancing. They do have an issue with crowded trains. If they shook hands & doing the hugging & kissing we do thing would have been a lot worse.

Here are the figures that Old Bloke May be alluding to.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone can not see the benefit of a lockdown.

I would not believe any report of how China handled the virus. There are very valid reasons why journalists have been removed from that country.

Regards

Angie

bgt wrote:

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Angie those figures/charts have been around for ages. It's theory and doesn't include many other factors.

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Exactly. In fact, if we didn't include those "other factors", the projections would be a lot worse, making your anti-lockdown arguments a lot weaker.

If one person infects 0.625 people in 5 days, and if these people are free to mingle with others, then after 10 days we would expect that the number of infections would have risen to 1.625 x 1.625. So after 30 days, the number would be 1.625 ^ 6 = 18.4.

Similarly, in the first case the number would be 3.5 ^ 6 = 1838. Clearly there are mitigating factors at play. No doubt the most important of these would be the "sociability" of each infected individual. Less sociable people would be less likely to pass on the infection, irrespective of the social distancing standard. Clearly this demonstrates the benefit of isolation.

 

Every one i speak to says they are sick of it and just want to get back to close to normal life. Open the shops, and businesses but wear masks and social distance where possible n have good hygiene. This virus is with us now forever, we need to learn how to live with it.

Thank you for your comments gentlemen,

The chart above is old now and there may be many variables with the figures. A mathematical prediction is no more accurate than the estimated social contact example as in the chart.
A simple explanation would be that a person or group of people in a rural area would for the most part not have the number of social contacts than someone in a city. To use the figures against the total population numbers is not a true indication of the spread of the virus. Just by its nature a city will always have more contact and transfer than those in rural locations.
Hence the argument from those country people who feel that they are being harshly treated.
The problem any authority has is the people who feel the that the rules dont apply to them.
This is evident on almost a daily basis.

The original lockdown procedures in Vic would have worked had all the recommended procedures were followed.
After all, it did, and has worked in other states when the population were basically compliant.
BGT the numbers of over 700 new cases every day is why the strict lockdown exists in Vic but is not believed to be necessary in the other states. To compare Vic figures with some other states and argue that lockdown is not needed in Vic would be detrimental to achieving management. The figures today are down to 50...

It is working so hang in there Vics

Regards

Angie

Hi recoup and everyone,

No. The new figures out from Europe over night.

France 6000 new cases, UK 2000 overnight. India 60,000.

We were told by neighbours who have family in China. Its not so.

 

Whenarewethere wrote:

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I've been to Japan & they have a culture of social distancing. They do have an issue with crowded trains. If they shook hands & doing the hugging & kissing we do thing would have been a lot worse.

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 They also wear masks as a general practice in public.

Cheers,

Peter

My last comment

Alan Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1qPyB0fKCM

bgt wrote:

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Ok a dumb question. If lockdowns are so essential then why aren't they being imposed in other states?

It's all about management. We don't ban cars to stop road deaths. We manage it.

I know I'm talking to myself but the lack of common sense and logical thinking is beyond my pay scale.

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we have speed limits .stop signs , traffic lights and if we don't obey we get fined an people will still speed run red lights ect ,can you imagine the carnage if their where no rules. there will always be people who think the rules don't apply to themselves.
wonder what it would look like if there where no restriction on travel, caravan people could have been one of the main spreaders if we where allowed to travel north for the winter