Animal Culls

msg · Guru

Animal Culls

oldbloke · Guru

Suggest they rehome them with your grandchildren.!

They are a wild dog. Speaks for its self.

-- Edited by oldbloke on Saturday 13th of March 2021 07:32:56 PM

msg · Guru

If you are worried about wild dogs why are you not worried about Crocs and snakes? They rehome these. I might suggest they are just as or maybe more likely to do a lot more damage to your grandchildren.

oldbloke · Guru

Msg, I think you missed the point.

bgt · Guru

I think there is an issue with ALL wild dogs. I can't imagine the consequences if they started to inter breed with domestic dogs. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/dingo-fence-seen-from-space/13192832

Dingoes keep the roo population under control and stock conditions improve as a result.
An interesting related article.
Over three decades they found a stark difference of vegetation coverage on each side of the fence
Less coverage was found on the side where dingoes are excluded

Cheers,

Peter

oldbloke · Guru

bgt wrote:
I think there is an issue with ALL wild dogs. I can't imagine the consequences if they started to inter breed with domestic dogs. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made.

Actually 99% of all "dingo" are part domestic dog.

Rehoming or relocating is a recipe for disaster.

I'm sure farmers would be real happy to hear they have been rehomed near their farm. Especially once the dogs start killing their sheep and cattle.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

For the first time ever just north of town on Tuesday, saw a beautiful specimen. Fit, wiry, and smart. He was on the road, beautiful orange colour, and pure bred ( and yes I can tell the difference). He took off quick smart. Then just today, 2 emus, a dad and a son, jumped the neighbours fence and bolted down our lane way. All this near Inverell. Rare for both. Which means either they have been chased out of their area to our west, or the season is so good here, they have come for a visit. Hope to see more of both.

-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Saturday 13th of March 2021 09:38:51 PM

msg · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/dingo-fence-seen-from-space/13192832
Dingoes keep the roo population under control and stock conditions improve as a result.
An interesting related article.
Over three decades they found a stark difference of vegetation coverage on each side of the fence
Less coverage was found on the side where dingoes are excluded
Cheers,
Peter

Hmm. Peter you have to wonder sometimes. Now I know my experience with the dingo fence is limited to an area outside Eromanga. Have been going in and out of the dingo fence there for the last 20yrs. (opal mining ) You know, I have never seen or heard a dingo on their side of the fence and I have camped out there for months on end. I have often wondered if there is actually any there. Plenty of roos and lately snakes. Rats and monitor lizards.

There is definitely no difference between the different sides of the fence there as far as vegetation coverage is concerned. Just stunted trees that go right through your tires if you drive over them and endless red bulldust covering very sharp rocks. There is a real problem with wild dogs on the other side of the fence. Where there's food they prefer? like new born lambs.

Old Bloke, I was just posing the question as to why they aren't rehomed to behind the fence like other dangerous native animals when they cause problems with humans. What makes them different ? Thats all.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

msg, I have seen the satelite images of the difference between the areas with dingos, and no dingos. Their is a marked difference. You do not really notice as much on the ground, but the vegetation coverage, is definitely there, on the dingo side, as opposed to where their are no dingos.

-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Saturday 13th of March 2021 09:50:50 PM

Kebbin · Guru

I think you left a snippet out of that study OleFella.

In 2011, a total of 3,941 samples were included in the first continent-wide DNA study of wild dogs. The study found that 46% were pure dingoes which exhibited no dog alleles (gene expressions). There was evidence of hybridisation in every region sampled. In Central Australia only 13% were hybrids, however in southeastern Australia 99% were hybrids or feral dogs. Pure dingo distribution was 88% in the Northern Territory.

bgt · Guru

If only we could train them to eat all the ferral cats.

Blues Man · Guru

bgt wrote:
If only we could train them to eat all the ferral cats.

That would be absolutely fantastic .......If only.

dorian · Guru

msg wrote:
MidCoast Council culls menacing dingoes, blames humans for changes in animals' behaviour (msn.com)

The council culled five dingos from around the Hawks Nest, Tea Gardens area. How can they do this? What makes dingos different to Sharks, Crocs or snakes. for that matter how come its OK to kill these animals along with kangaroos & brumbies if they are causing a problem to humans rather than rehome them ?

Horses are an introduced species. Where do you "rehome" such animals?

As for the dingos, their unnatural behaviour probably makes them unsuitable for rehoming anywhere.

Kebbin · Guru

There should be a bounty on feral cats, before they wipe out entire species, it is thought they have already. For those that say "how do you know they are feral" it matters not with these killing machines any cat out and about is fair game.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

This pure bred in the Pilbara was a pet from a very young age.
Difficult. I would not recommend it.

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Cheers,

Peter

peter67 · Guru

Kebbin if they'd had cat bounties I'd be a squillionare by now. Back in the seventies we used to get between 25 and 35 bucks a fox skin, caramel fox skins a bit more and once a mate ran a black fox over in his farm driveway one night and got close to 300 bucks for that one, don't know what they pay nowadays. One night on a friends farm we were all inside playing cards when suddenly there was a big kerfuffle coming from the chook pen so grabbed the 12ga and torch, ran outside and there's two foxes in the cage so let drive with the shotty, bit hard on the rest of the chooks tho.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Personally I would be happy to see all wild feral animals in this country eliminated.
Most are responsible for significant damage of some sort.
All natives (including the dingo) need to be maintained at levels commensurate with their pre pastoral populations. That will mean some regular culling of roos whose populations depend on water which is maintained at much higher levels by pastoralists than would normally be the case.
Peter

bgt · Guru

Crocodiles have exploded now that they are protected. Every case has a balance point. Except for ferral animals.

Mike Harding · Guru

Dingos are not natives I think? My understanding is they have been around for about 5000 years after migrating from countries to the north.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

If dingo's whom have been painted in ochre paintings dating back 30,000 years, are not native, then the same goes, for the aboriginal, they both came over together,. The land bridge closed 15,000 years ago. By the way, I love the dingo, and also the wolf. Would have a dingo, if I could afford the 2metre high colourbond fence to surround my house block. They are available from Sydney Dingo's and Foxes sanctuary, but under strict conditions. But I love the dog breed generally. A good dog is a great companion for life.

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oldbloke · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Dingos are not natives I think? My understanding is they have been around for about 5000 years after migrating from countries to the north.

Sounds pretty right Mike. Should they stay? I don't know.

You really can't rehome a feral dog. Once they are tought to kill inorder to eat/survive by mum its too hard to change th em.

If you relocate them they will just migrate to where the food source is. ( Farms ) Sometimes they attack in packs increasing the risk to people and farm stock. Often they don't eat the kill. (Heard a horror story just recently of a farmer losing 50 to 60 sheep in about a week or so near Warwick.They are cunning and very difficult to trap or shoot. Unfortunately 1080 is popular. I believe not a nice way to leave this world.

I know a bloke who has trapped and shot dogs/dingo's for many years. (Sth QLD) He took 100s DNA samples for testing. Not 1 result was 100% dingo. All had some dog in them.

My guess is if you relocate a big crock it would just try to return to its territory. I guess distance comes into it.

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

How about re homing all mice as well ?

Bobdown · Guru

Dingoes are great pets once trained, I had a part dingo for 12 years, went everywhere with me. A lot better behaved than some yappy little bugger.
There was a show on the ABC some years ago where the vegetation and wildlife on the dingo side of the Fence were thriving, while the other side was decimated by feral cats and dogs.

Cheers Bob

Plain Truth · Guru

They were culling the feral deer in the Bogong high plains where the bushfires had gone through,the area had just been reseeded.

peter67 · Guru

Bobdown wrote:
Dingoes are great pets once trained, I had a part dingo for 12 years, went everywhere with me. A lot better behaved than some yappy little bugger.
There was a show on the ABC some years ago where the vegetation and wildlife on the dingo side of the Fence were thriving, while the other side was decimated by feral cats and dogs.

Cheers Bob

Hi Bob, if I read your post correctly :) are you stating that feral dogs and cats have turned vegan?

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Dingoes are Australia's only large native predator. They keep the kangaroo population under control. Therefore the grass grows more on the northern side of the dingo fence where there are fewer roos.
Cheers,
Peter

oldbloke · Guru

Umm, no offence intended, but if the dingo fence is so good, how come dingoes are killing 100s of sheep and cattle?

Mike Harding · Guru

Bicyclecamper wrote:
If dingo's whom have been painted in ochre paintings dating back 30,000 years, are not native, then the same goes, for the aboriginal, they both came over together,. The land bridge closed 15,000 years ago.

Wikipedia sates between 3500 and 8000 years ago:

Wikipedia

Derek Barnes · Senior Member

If you lived in Africa your dangerous wild animals would include lions, hyenas, cheetahs, etc. Just thank goodness your most dangerous animal is only a dog which is usually scared of you and doesn't see you as a food source. If African's were culling most of the lions etc., we would be complaining. How about we learn to live with the few 'native' animals which we have remaining in Australia.