Flood insurance costing $30,000 highlights which areas should not be developed for housing

bgt · Guru

Where's Tim Flannery?

Recoup · Guru

rgren2 · Guru

bgt wrote:
The highly 'regarded' weather 'expert' and climate change guru, Tim Flannery, said the rivers wont flow and the dams wont fill. The ABC still rolls him out when they want an 'experts' opinion.

Last I heard, he was sandbagging his Hawksbury River riverfront property. biggrin biggrin

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Climate scientists say that there will be in increase in severe weather events. I think that the previous droughts and the current floods is showing that they are right.

Plain Truth · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Climate scientists say that there will be in increase in severe weather events. I think that the previous droughts and the current floods is showing that they are right.

First of all it was called Global Warming,but didn't workout the way they predicted.So they changed it to Climate Change,that way they could have 2 bob each way the weather went.

As Mark Twain said " It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Monday 22nd of March 2021 04:16:40 PM

peter67 · Guru

Spot on mate, not denying the climate is changing, it always has and always will. Cyclone Tracey back in 74 must have been a premature weather event.

Craig1 · Guru

Worst floods since 1961, so are they worse or only coming second? . My sincere sympathies to all currently affected, but question still stands.
Also why is a new bridge floodproof, but still under water ?

JayDee · Guru

All Timmie Flannery had to say was I believe and support the following climate change.....the four seasons.

"Spring Summer Autumn and Winter"

He certainly is not entitled to the honour of the Australian of the Year award.

Jay&Dee

Wanda · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Climate scientists say that there will be in increase in severe weather events. I think that the previous droughts and the current floods is showing that they are right.
First of all it was called Global Warming,but didn't workout the way they predicted.So they changed it to Climate Change,that way they could have 2 bob each way the weather went.
As Mark Twain said " It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

"Global warming", is climate change, and it is happening, and the evidence is there. If you bother to read it!
The above intelligent quote, from Buzz Lighbulb, says it all, the only sensible quote on this page

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Monday 22nd of March 2021 04:16:40 PM

Santa · Guru

Dorothea Mackeller, got it right when she wrote this in 1906.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of drought and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!

I've lived through numerous droughts and floods, Australia always has been a country of extreme weather events.

All that has changed is the burgeoning population with people seeking the idyllic life style, building in areas that are prone to fire and flood.

Sidney Kidman understood our climate better than most when he recognized the fact that part of Australia was always in the grip of drought whilst at the same time other areas were being inundated, his ambition was to own stations throughout Australia so that he could drive cattle from areas of drought to areas of abundant feed without ever leaving his own land, he almost succeeded.

Yes the climate is changing, just as it always has.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-34865755

AndyCap100 · Senior Member

Hi , its people thats the problem . Well ,the idiots anyway .

People build next to rivers ,and on flat flood plains . Then complain when they get flooded out .
People build on top of cliffs Then complain when they subside and the house slides down .
People build at the base of cliffs , Then complain when it falls on there heads .
People build surrounded by forest Then complain when they get burnt out by fires .
People build next to the sea . Then complain when theres a a Tsunami .
The list goes on ,sensing a pattern here !!

Here in Christchurch did they learn from the earthquakes and ground subsidence .NO .once again building on an area of ground thats allways been called MARSHLANDS . They just had to totally re-build a motorway flyover bridge because it began to sink !!

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-- Edited by AndyCap100 on Tuesday 23rd of March 2021 10:14:35 AM

Southern Cruizer · Guru

Interesting to see a map on the internet last night showing the 1867 flood around the Colo river, Penrith area etc was nearly as big as the current flood and the so called experts talk about climate change, give us a break for god's sake

Dougwe · Chief one feather

Mmmm, are they Experts OR Xspurts?? That, is the question?

Gee, and that's nothing to do with weights and measures wink

Keep Safe on the roads and out there.

-- Edited by Dougwe on Tuesday 23rd of March 2021 10:54:09 AM

Recoup · Guru

bgt wrote:
The highly 'regarded' weather 'expert' and climate change guru, Tim Flannery, said the rivers wont flow and the dams wont fill. The ABC still rolls him out when they want an 'experts' opinion.

The ABC only got a small budged , most of the money goes to the "vaccine experts" to come on the screen. No money for Timmy ,cheers

Santa · Guru

Slowly the penny drops, there are area's in Australia where residential development shouldn't be allowed.

Flood insurance costing $30,000 highlights which areas should not be developed for housing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/flood-insurance-costing-30000-dollars-where-not-to-build/13268966

Recoup · Guru

bgt wrote:
The highly 'regarded' weather 'expert' and climate change guru, Tim Flannery, said the rivers wont flow and the dams wont fill. The ABC still rolls him out when they want an 'experts' opinion.

TheHeaths · Guru

Changes in the climate are small, slow but incremental.

Its like putting the frog in cold water, lighting the gas, and he doesnt know hes cooked until its too late! Same with us.

The changes are almost imperceptible, but they are there, and they will affect everyone eventually.

I see no issue trying to make things better whether we believe in climate change or not. It can only benefit the world anyway.

Plain Truth · Guru

Why it floods,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28SN9KixO2I

rgren2 · Guru

TheHeaths wrote:
Changes in the climate are small, slow but incremental.

Its like putting the frog in cold water, lighting the gas, and he doesnt know hes cooked until its too late! Same with us.

The changes are almost imperceptible, but they are there, and they will affect everyone eventually.

I see no issue trying to make things better whether we believe in climate change or not. It can only benefit the world anyway.

Boiling frog is a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

TheHeaths · Guru

rgren2 wrote:
TheHeaths wrote:
Changes in the climate are small, slow but incremental.

Its like putting the frog in cold water, lighting the gas, and he doesnt know hes cooked until its too late! Same with us.

The changes are almost imperceptible, but they are there, and they will affect everyone eventually.

I see no issue trying to make things better whether we believe in climate change or not. It can only benefit the world anyway.

Boiling frog is a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Unlike our climate appearing to me to be changing slowly. My point was that subtle changes, over a long period, easily go unaccounted as permanent. And as we dont have truly long term records beyond a couple of hundred years, the current trends cannot be proved or disproved either way. Erring on the side of caution is in my opinion the better course of action.

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Wednesday 24th of March 2021 06:59:56 AM

msg · Guru

Santa wrote:
Slowly the penny drops, there are area's in Australia where residential development shouldn't be allowed.
Flood insurance costing $30,000 highlights which areas should not be developed for housing
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/flood-insurance-costing-30000-dollars-where-not-to-build/13268966

Exactly Santa.
I would have thought it was a no brainer. Need also to get rid of those developments that hinder water flow and cause flooding. By the looks of the houses that floated by, they were where they were for a pretty long time. To me this means that water flow further up has been blocked and guided into the path of where these homes were.
Of course, all those greedy developers need to pay a levy for all the devastation they caused with the developments. Its incredible even in the middle of the flood some reporter was talking about how they were going to build more homes and have more people come and live there. Money is always trumps.

Rob Driver · Guru

The Hawkesbury and Nepean have been subject to flooding for centuries.

I find it amusing that these climate change pundits can actually stand there and tell bare faced lies of these flood events being worse today due to Global Warming or whatever other excuses they come up with.

Take a look of the flood heights of approx 150 years ago.
Note that it well before the Warragamba Dam was built, so there is no blame to be placed on that infrastructure.

The bridge at Windsor was rebuilt because it was structually failing, it was not rebuilt to remain open during floods.
The lands surrounding the bridge are low lying river flats and will allways flood so a bridge being higher will be of no advantage.
The test of the new bridge will be to see how it stands up structually to the current flood.

Here are some figures well before a lot of the area around Windsor, Penrith and Richmond had any major development.

www.ses.nsw.gov.au/local-region-information/swr/record-floods/

All the pundits of climate change or global warming are doing is creating a massive financial burden for our children and grandchildren.

Stop using excessive plastics for wrapping and packaging, provide govt incentives and infrastructure to decentralise populations and last but not least, plant a tree.

Regards

Angie

Wanda · Guru

Amazing the number of scientists on this page, I feel much safer now biggrin
Ian

Possum3 · Guru

rgren2 wrote:
Boiling frog is a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Most myths have some basis in fact.

I was raised on a Western NSW property that had a free flowing Bore with underground water that came out around boiling point - there were three drains supplied by bore-head going out to the paddocks. Crayfish lived in the drains which swam/crawled upstream all the way to the bore-head pool. As a young fella I would catch the crayfish (chop tail on a piece of string) they were cooked red and still very much alive.

msg · Guru

www.skynews.com.au/details/_6242981829001

"For a 'supposedly smart' country we don't spend much time on water sustainability" SKY News

When are they going to realise that water sustainability is a never ending expectation? More water equals more voters brought in, more housing developments in unsuitable areas, more dams that get too full and overflow and drown the developments. We don't need more water, we need to manage what we have.

bgt · Guru

Yes msg we need to manage what we have. But doing so creates so much division. Housing developments are result of many factors including immigration and simple demand. There is too much demand on the Sydney basin. 'Greedy developers" they may be. But they are only supplying what the market demands.

Australia needs to decentralize.

msg · Guru

If "they" weren't bringing in voters then we wouldn't need those slums the greedy developers are building. One bedroom apartments that are housing whole families. Not right for anyone. (even if it is still better than the accommodation they had.)

Think of the effect it has on the inhabitants already here. Property too expensive for the average Joe, who then also ends up moving into these developments as a permanent solution to their housing issues. Lowers expectations, lowers standards. Down the track? Everyone lives in these boxes as a matter of course.

They are even putting pressure on the oldies who were able to build their homes before all this madness. I had one developer on my doorstep saying that I didn't need all this space that I should move into an apartment as a consideration for the younger generation. He wasn't offering all that much for my property either. Just a bit under the market value. Problem for me, I need to be able to park up my van. Storing off site is not an option I would ever consider.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

bentaxlebabe wrote:
...

All the pundits of climate change or global warming are doing is creating a massive financial burden for our children and grandchildren.

...

It's actually the opposite. Fixing climate change will cost more than preventing it so by not taking action now means that it will cost our children and grandchildren even more later on.

peter67 · Guru

Possum3 wrote:
rgren2 wrote:
Boiling frog is a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
Most myths have some basis in fact.
I was raised on a Western NSW property that had a free flowing Bore with underground water that came out around boiling point - there were three drains supplied by bore-head going out to the paddocks. Crayfish lived in the drains which swam/crawled upstream all the way to the bore-head pool. As a young fella I would catch the crayfish (chop tail on a piece of string) they were cooked red and still very much alive.

Only because crayfish are too stupid to jump Possum3.

rgren2 you knock the frog out first, then boil it, makes TheHeaths 100% right and that's how flim flammery and most climate scientists did it with computer modelling cheers.

ps we have ice core samples that show climate change over thousands of years

-- Edited by peter67 on Wednesday 24th of March 2021 06:43:16 PM

TheHeaths · Guru

peter67 wrote:
Possum3 wrote:
rgren2 wrote:
Boiling frog is a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
Most myths have some basis in fact.
I was raised on a Western NSW property that had a free flowing Bore with underground water that came out around boiling point - there were three drains supplied by bore-head going out to the paddocks. Crayfish lived in the drains which swam/crawled upstream all the way to the bore-head pool. As a young fella I would catch the crayfish (chop tail on a piece of string) they were cooked red and still very much alive.
Only because crayfish are too stupid to jump Possum3.

rgren2 you knock the frog out first, then boil it, makes TheHeaths 100% right and that's how flim flammery and most climate scientists did it with computer modelling cheers.
ps we have ice core samples that show climate change over thousands of years

-- Edited by peter67 on Wednesday 24th of March 2021 06:43:16 PM

Unfortunately Peter, while they show changes in the climate over thousands of years, they take no account of an important consideration.

Most of the worlds population arrived in the last 300 years.

Up until 120 years ago, virtually none of the worlds fossil fuels (oil and gas) had been burnt.

Only a very small proportion of the worlds coal and similar hard fossil fuels had been burnt.

Most of the worlds forests, and thus carbon capturing areas, were still all but untouched.

There were no plastics and minimal packaging used.

Industry was minimal compared to the last 120 years.

In short, they record a world with almost nil human impact on it.

So at best, the cores show climate change for a completely different world, and can be used to show that the planet did undergo cyclical events prior to the industrial revolution. Beyond that, they are of little use or information in arguing against climate change.

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Wednesday 24th of March 2021 07:51:59 PM