Aboriginal deaths in custody

Mike Harding · Guru

Aboriginal deaths in custody

Whenarewethere · Guru

The Age I use to pick up dog land mines people throw into our property from the public footpath.

Tony LEE · Guru

Been annoying me since forever that media can't be bothered reporting things on a prorata basis - because the can't do the arithmetic, or more likely because it de-sensationalises the story. As in this story that infers that Aboriginals are safer in prison than out, and that death rates for non-aboriginals is actually higher, most articles about Covid-19 would lose a lot of impact if reporting was on a prorata basis.

dorian · Guru

The very basis for the original royal commission was flawed in that it prejudicially investigated aboriginal deaths in custody rather than deaths in custody.

Furthermore, it was decided that we should pay hundreds of millions of dollars to a gaggle of rapacious wordsmiths to ultimately dismiss a fallacy that could have been demonstrated in a few minutes with simple arithmetic on a $5 calculator.

Having said that, nobody should die in custody, not even the most heinous criminal. The state owes a duty of care to every individual in all its institutions.

bgt · Guru

The whole issue is a political football. All governments poor billions into the issue and nothing is achieved. Folks in the cities march and demonstrate. Yet how many of them go out and see ground zero? First thing I would do is follow the money trail and see who's actually getting the money.

The very fact that some of us even dare to talk about the issue is seen as racist by some. And there lies the problem.

dogbox · Guru

the last time this was a discussion on here someone posted a comparison chart as to all deaths in custody and what caused them.

as far as stating " nobody should die in custody, not even the most heinous criminal " Ivan Milat died recently, should he have been freed?

if people are not fit to be out and about in our society ,what should we do with them ?

dorian · Guru

When I said that nobody should die in custody, I was thinking about people who are killed by others, whether they be other prisoners or police or prison wardens. Suicides are difficult to prevent, but there can be ways to mitigate them. Prisoners who are terminally ill can still be cared for in custodial environments. I'm not suggesting that any of these people should be released.

Mike Harding · Guru

bgt wrote:
The very fact that some of us even dare to talk about the issue is seen as racist by some. And there lies the problem.

Given that the article I referenced was written by an Aboriginal man the above should certainly *not* be the case.

If we cannot have open and honest discussion and permit the truth to out then we may as well prohibit voting and become a dictator state.

What is the truth if not real?

bgt · Guru

Jecinta Price is a good example of people speaking out but shutdown by others. The whole subject gets hijacked by some folks for political purposes.

Greg 1 · Guru

I think the article is fairly written and states the actual facts. May not be the narrative that a lot of activists want to hear as it does not suit their racist agenda. The incarceration rate is what is really concerning, but without indigenous communities and leaders stepping up to the plate, this will continue to climb. Kids getting involved in crime is usually because of dysfunctional families, lack of education and lack of opportunity. Governments can put programs in place to assist with the education and opportunity issues, but at the end of the day, it is down to the community, parents and community leaders to ensure the young ones take advantage of what's on offer. This applies just as equally across all races in our community. There tends to be much higher crime rates in lower socio-economic areas than others

bgt · Guru

I'll stick my head out and suggest a name. Someone who knows the system. Has lived in the communities. Knows the problems. And knows what doors to open. But I can hear folks falling of their chairs as I type. Tony Abbott. He would make an excellent conduit between the problems and those who can help fix the problems. But I know I know. Folks don't want a problem solved by someone they hate. After all it's the hate that is more important than the problem.

Greystone · Senior Member

Didn't Abbott say that the best thing that happened to the Aboriginals was the arrival of white man? Hardly credible statement for someone who was in charge of aanmoedigingen affairs.

bgt · Guru

Sure the aboriginals were better off before white man arrived! No health care. No welfare. Etc etc etc. This is exactly what I expected. Something taken out of context just for what? Just to distract from finding a solution to score a few cheap points.

dogbox · Guru

you do not go to jail for being a nice person nor do you go to jail for a first offence (unless it is very serious)
and it is very hard to find anyone that has been to jail only twice because if they didn't learn the first time there will most likely be three or more times

PeterInSa · Guru

bgt, Hope that Jacinta Price is heard by Fed Government Action Committee's

www.cis.org.au/experts/research-scholars/jacinta-nampijinpa-price/

bgt · Guru

PeterinSA I wish Jecinta Price had more voice everywhere.

dogbox · Guru

bgt wrote:

PeterinSA I wish Jecinta Price had more voice everywhere.

it would seem a lot of people don't like what she has to say

bgt · Guru

dogbox it's typical of many folks. Only folks who share our opinions are allowed to have an opinion!

City folks have tried to solve the aboriginal crisis for years and look what's happened. Has anyone actually gone out there and sat down and listened?

yobarr · Guru

bgt wrote:
Sure the aboriginals were better off before white man arrived! No health care. No welfare. Etc etc etc. This is exactly what I expected. Something taken out of context just for what? Just to distract from finding a solution to score a few cheap points.

Many years ago,when I was working in the Walgett and Brewarrina areas of NSW,I met an older local gentleman who told me that Aboriginals never have had a problem that couldn't be solved with a cheque book...just what he said.Don't shoot the messenger. Cheers