Five years in prison if you return to the country of which you are a citizen

dogbox · Guru

Five years in prison if you return to the country of which you are a citizen

bgt · Guru

dogbox I would suggest money. Cricketers have the means and managers to find away.

dogbox · Guru

bgt wrote:

dogbox I would suggest money. Cricketers have the means and managers to find away.

so would you be suggesting some may be looking for a free ride home

bgt · Guru

Nah. The world revolves around who you know and not what you know.

dogbox · Guru

i wondered how all these people seem to be coming and going a we still have people who claim they can't get back to australia

dorian · Guru

Love it

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/ipl-player-hopes-new-travel-ban-only-applies-to-indian-people-with-an-australian-passport/

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/india-flight-ban-makes-sense-according-to-government-that-never-considered-banning-us-flights/

-- Edited by dorian on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 05:53:55 PM

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

a simple test would sort out who has priority - the test is one question, and the question is 'do you have a residence with furniture that is waiting for you to you to return to Australia?'

If the answer is 'no' . . . . . . . . . . .

A lot of people come in here, become 'citizens, then for what ever reason they return to the country of birth, now when it all turns to **** they want to come back here - just ask them that one question

-- Edited by Trevor 57 on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 07:39:05 AM

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

bgt wrote:
Nah. The world revolves around who you know and not what you know.

I don't know why sports people think they have a priority, they knew by going overseas that there was a risk, no different from me travelling to W.A. (yes I know the cricketers have said they want priority, but behind the scenes . . . . . . . . .)

Also, if our national borders are closed, how are they getting out of Australia?

-- Edited by Trevor 57 on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 07:42:58 AM

dogbox · Guru

there was a situation a few years back when hostilities broke out in Lebanon an people where demanding to be repatriated back to aust . the government chartered flights to bring them back to aust they were suppose to reimburse the cost i did see an article that less than 10% actually reimbursed the government .

it was also mentioned that most returned overseas when deemed safe i would ask how many people go overseas on a one way ticket(not likely on holidays) and how long have they been overseas ?

-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 09:47:12 AM

bgt · Guru

It's a 14 day halt. 5 of those days have already gone. Everyone needs to chill out. The gov, love or hate them, would have been vilified if everyone was allowed to come back to Australia and over welm our quarrantine system. Yet when the gov closes the border to one large risk sector everyone is up in arms. Yes and some folks here on this forum wanted ALL overseas travellers banned. Now they are saying it's so unfair. Get a grip folks. You want your governments to protect you, recent state elections have shown that. Yet a 14 HALT is so our unfair. Some states have stuffed up quarantine yet you want thousands more to go through their system. WA will be in permanent lock down. Hotels are at breaking point and folks want to build dedicated facilities because of the current risks. Yet folks want to increase that risk.

bgt · Guru

I should have use 'paused' not 'halt'. Just to add one more consideration. Australians have been trying to get back home for months. Ask yourself if these folk have been waiting just as long or did they recently fly over there?

littledick · Senior Member

Plain Truth wrote:
The majority of stranded overseas "Australians" have dual citizenship.They are over there on that countries passport.
When there is problem like now ,they scream they are Australians and want to get out quick smart.
But "born and bred" Australians,who wants to take out citizenship of another country cannot.
Under section 17 of the Citizenship Act requires people with only Australian citizenship to relinquish this if they take out the citizenship of another country.

My views exactly.

Dick.

Mike Harding · Guru

littledick wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
The majority of stranded overseas "Australians" have dual citizenship.They are over there on that countries passport.
My views exactly.

As has already been pointed out on this thread: Indians who take Australian citizenship must, according to Indian law, relinquish their Indian citizenship therefore they are not dual nationals and are being locked out of the country of their single nationality.

littledick · Senior Member

And if they're brought back in now, who takes the blame if it all starts here again. hmm

Dick.

DMaxer · Guru

I guess the correct procedure would have been for adequate and fit for purpose quarantine facilities established last year when this virus first came to light.

I don't think that it is a matter of blaming or congratulating anyone on outcomes. It is a responsibility of Government to ensure their citizens are safe.

I wonder what will happen if Australians still abroad contract the virus and either become critically ill or worse still, die.

Who will wear that one I wonder.

dogbox · Guru

DMaxer wrote:

I guess the correct procedure would have been for adequate and fit for purpose quarantine facilities established last year when this virus first came to light.
I don't think that it is a matter of blaming or congratulating anyone on outcomes. It is a responsibility of Government to ensure their citizens are safe.
I wonder what will happen if Australians still abroad contract the virus and either become critically ill or worse still, die.
Who will wear that one I wonder.

when are people going to start taking some responsibility for the situation they are in ? who made the decision to travel during a global pandemic to high risk places, then expect we who sat thru lockdowns, isolations, loss of employment, restrictions ect to stay safe , only to be put at risk from people who gave no thought to anyone other then themselves wanting to return to a safer place when it suits them .
as far as it is the responsibility of the government to protect us, should we be put at risk by large masses of infected people that will arrive here. we are struggling to keep a limited number of people safe in quarantine. the present quarantine system is just holding together by a shoe string and getting by with more good luck than good management .the question should be what can the government do the keep us all safe

Mike Harding · Guru

dogbox wrote:
wanting to return to a safer place when it suits them

So this is dead in the water then?

I am, you are, we are Australian

Just one of those fantasies Australians have about "mateship" and support.

And, still, there has been a failure to address the issue of how far should governments be allowed to go in their powers - however, in Australia, I think no one really gives a damn... yet....

yobarr · Guru

dogbox wrote:
DMaxer wrote:

I guess the correct procedure would have been for adequate and fit for purpose quarantine facilities established last year when this virus first came to light.
I don't think that it is a matter of blaming or congratulating anyone on outcomes. It is a responsibility of Government to ensure their citizens are safe.
I wonder what will happen if Australians still abroad contract the virus and either become critically ill or worse still, die.
Who will wear that one I wonder.

when are people going to start taking some responsibility for the situation they are in ? who made the decision to travel during a global pandemic to high risk places, then expect we who sat thru lockdowns, isolations, loss of employment, restrictions ect to stay safe , only to be put at risk from people who gave no thought to anyone other then themselves wanting to return to a safer place when it suits them .as far as it is the responsibility of the government to protect us, should we be put at risk by large masses of infected people that will arrive here. we are struggling to keep a limited number of people safe in quarantine. the present quarantine system is just holding together by a shoe string and getting by with more good luck than good management .the question should be what can the government do the keep us all safe

Brilliant post,containing lots of commonsense.Well done.But possibly too much thinking involved for those who think the "Gummint" is responsible for the woes of these clowns who willingly left Australia in thevmiddle of a pandemic,and now are crying "Poor me". Imagine the uproar if Mr Morrison allowed everybody to return,and mass contamination occurred.He then would be classed as the biggest idiot around.Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.Suck it up baby,and take responsibility for your own irresponsible actions. Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 03:18:29 PM

Craig1 · Guru

Summed it up Dog Box. Responsibility.

the rocket · Guru

yobarr wrote:
dogbox wrote:
DMaxer wrote:

I guess the correct procedure would have been for adequate and fit for purpose quarantine facilities established last year when this virus first came to light.
I don't think that it is a matter of blaming or congratulating anyone on outcomes. It is a responsibility of Government to ensure their citizens are safe.
I wonder what will happen if Australians still abroad contract the virus and either become critically ill or worse still, die.
Who will wear that one I wonder.

when are people going to start taking some responsibility for the situation they are in ? who made the decision to travel during a global pandemic to high risk places, then expect we who sat thru lockdowns, isolations, loss of employment, restrictions ect to stay safe , only to be put at risk from people who gave no thought to anyone other then themselves wanting to return to a safer place when it suits them .as far as it is the responsibility of the government to protect us, should we be put at risk by large masses of infected people that will arrive here. we are struggling to keep a limited number of people safe in quarantine. the present quarantine system is just holding together by a shoe string and getting by with more good luck than good management .the question should be what can the government do the keep us all safe
Brilliant post,containing lots of commonsense.Well done.But possibly too much thinking involved for those who think the "Gummint" is responsible for the woes of these clowns who willingly left Australia in thevmiddle of a pandemic,and now are crying "Poor me". Imagine the uproar if Mr Morrison allowed everybody to return,and mass contamination occurred.He then would classed be the biggest idiot around.Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.Suck it up baby,and take responsibility for your own irresponsible actions. Cheers

Well said everyone.

dogbox · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:

dogbox wrote:
wanting to return to a safer place when it suits them
So this is dead in the water then?
I am, you are, we are Australian
Just one of those fantasies Australians have about "mateship" and support.
And, still, there has been a failure to address the issue of how far should governments be allowed to go in their powers - however, in Australia, I think no one really gives a damn... yet....

unfortunately we(as a country) are possibly going to be in a very uncomfortable position, very shortly with more potentially infected people arriving here than we can cope with . all mr. morrison has done to date is to pause the rush for a couple of weeks to try an work out how they can control it, without putting the whole country at risk .
the mateship and support is a two way street. if you had a contagious potentially fatal disease would you want to rush home to your family an give it to them without the required safe guards in place
i hope someone can come up with a solution to the problem heading our way before it gets here
we still have people coming in from other countries that are keeping the quarantine hotels busy, we could very quickly be back to our boarder's being closed and us in lockdown again

Mike Harding · Guru

dogbox wrote:
the mateship and support is a two way street.

Then you must accept "mateship" is dead and it really is every man for himself.

I'm happy either way but cut the "supportive" crap if you will not support your fellow citizens. We are, it seems, NOT all Australians.

bgt · Guru

Keep in mind Mr Morrison has hit the pause button. But it's the state's who have to handle those incoming passengers after thev15th. Do you trust the state's? Well do you?

Whenarewethere · Guru

A Federal Court challenge has been launched against the Government's decision to make it a criminal offence for Australian citizens to return home from India so it will be interesting to see what happens.

DMaxer · Guru

It was very odd to release a press statement at midnight warning of these penalties under the Bio Security legislation then telling the press the following day that there was a near zero chance of anyone being fined. Perhaps our fearless leader was informed of a document called the Constitution.

Plain Truth · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
littledick wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
The majority of stranded overseas "Australians" have dual citizenship.They are over there on that countries passport.
My views exactly.
As has already been pointed out on this thread: Indians who take Australian citizenship must, according to Indian law, relinquish their Indian citizenship therefore they are not dual nationals and are being locked out of the country of their single nationality.

They apply and get OCI citizenship

dogbox · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:

dogbox wrote:
the mateship and support is a two way street.
Then you must accept "mateship" is dead and it really is every man for himself.
I'm happy either way but cut the "supportive" crap if you will not support your fellow citizens. We are, it seems, NOT all Australians.

the mateship and support is a two way street. if you had a contagious potentially fatal disease would you want to rush home to your family an give it to them without the required safe guards in place

you didn't reply as to what your actions would be. are we being selfish for preventing citizen from returning for a couple of weeks. so we can to access the situation or are they being selfish for demanding to be repatriated knowing we will not be able to cope

bgt · Guru

By the time the court challenge get going the 15, now 10 left, will be over. The person challenging has been overseas since last March!!! I smell politics here not welfare of the community.

Mike Harding · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:

Too long to quote.

Fair enough - looks like I was wrong and original Indian nationals can hold, a sort of, dual citizenship.

1 - They are Australians so the fact they have dual citizenship makes them a second class citizen does it?

2 - I am quite certain not all the Australian citizens in India are dual nationals.

Mike Harding · Guru

dogbox wrote:
you didn't reply as to what your actions would be. are we being selfish for preventing citizen from returning for a couple of weeks.

You miss my original point:

If a government is able to prevent the citizens of the country it has the privilege of governing from living there then it is no more than a dictatorship. Is that what you seek in your government?