The whole of Sydney is now in lockdown....

Are We Lost · Guru

The whole of Sydney is now in lockdown....

dorian · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
why did a ninety year old die in Sydney today or yesterday with only having their 1st jab?

This question has been answered thousands of times. You should know the answer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/covid-delta-danger-sees-experts-prepare-for-hospital-surge/100334558

NSW ICU data:

54 cases in ICU

7 in their 20s, 6 in their 30s, 2 in their 40s,

16 are in their 50s, 14 in their 60s and 9 are in their 70s

Of the 54 people in ICU:

48 not vaccinated

6 people received their first dose (AstraZeneca or Pfizer)

0 fully vaccinated

Izabarack · Guru

dorian wrote:
You should know the answer.

Wot? An inconvenient truth. The anti mob are clutching at straws now. Getting harder and harder to find a face saver now.

oldbloke · Guru

So, this gives a better picture of TTS death rates. Last week's vaccine safety report.

6.1 ML doses of AZ and 5 deaths I think.

www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-22-07-2021

Tony Bev · Guru

I have been following the Covid-19 news, and if I remember correctly

The following snip, from a news article, is the first time I had read this information

You're at much more risk of getting the clotting disorder from getting [COVID-19] than you are from the vaccine

Perhaps they should have said this, from day 1, or perhaps this info has only just come to light

Link to the news article (today), is below

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/what-will-my-gp-ask-me-about-astrazeneca-vaccine/100348720

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

You are far more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident that having the vaccination, yet people jump in their cars and driver every day without a thought about their safety

yobarr · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:
You are far more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident that having the vaccination, yet people jump in their cars and driver every day without a thought about their safety

Settle back Trevor! Way too much commonsense and logic involved in that sentence,which echoes what I posted a week or so ago.Unfortunately,social media provides enough rubbish to scare the living spit out of many sheeple,who seem unable to think for themselves?Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 7th of August 2021 09:08:53 AM

oldbloke · Guru

Great story that compares the pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. Includes to great, easy to understand stat's.

www.news.com.au/technology/science/australian-health-experts-have-pleaded-with-people-to-get-the-jab/news-story/d50f6bb06cf6c99c176b648a52486a90

Are We Lost · Guru

Thanks Oldbloke.

Good to see recent data on comparing AZ with Pfizer, rather than the often quoted trial results. So there is negligible difference between them in their ability to save lives.

As for the risk of dying from blood clotting due to AZ, the ones I think most would identify with are 56 times greater risk that you will die in a car accident each year, or 32 times greater risk of being a victim of homicide. Those aren't statistics that keep me awake at night.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Sunday 8th of August 2021 03:38:15 PM

dorian · Guru

The USA approved Moderna's COVID vaccine in Dec 2020:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55370999

Australia's TGA is due to approve the same vaccine in 2 weeks, ie Aug 2021.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-08/moderna-covid-vaccine-to-be-approved-within-a-fortnight/100359788

WTF?

Whenarewethere · Guru

Australia''s GDP about $1.6 trillion/25 million people = $64,000 per capita.

Two Pfizer doses $60.00, but let's say $300.00 by the time you get it in arms.

Still cheap in the scheme of things.

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

NSW bringing Australia to its knees - well done NSW Government furious furious furious furious furious

msg · Guru

Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?

We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.

It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.

It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.

Whenarewethere · Guru

It seems to be that the people who have had an early vaccination, they will be the ones who need a booster sooner.

There is some talk that it may be better to have a booster different to the original type of vaccine.

So it may be better in the long run that there are as may variations of vacancies.

Rob Driver · Guru

msg wrote:
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?

We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.

It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.

It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.

These vaccines are currently being administered world wide.

As a matter of interest, in your opinion, how long should the Australian Medical experts wait before beginning to recommend the current brands to the Australian population for protection against the severity of the Covid pandemic?

yobarr · Guru

msg wrote:
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?

We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.

It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.

It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.

Could you tell us of the proven pitfalls of the AC and Pfizer vaccines? Not interested in garbage sprouted on social media that confuses only the gullible, but proven pitfalls. As I and another poster have already pointed out,there is a 50 times greater chance of dying in a car accident than there is of dying from a Covid jab. And deaths from car accidents largely go unnoticed. Spare me! Cheers

P.S This car is in two halves after being wrapped around a powerpole,killing 5 of the 6 occupants.As fate would have it,the survivor was the driver.

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 01:55:23 PM

msg · Guru

Yobarr, Just looking to picking a fight? Pretty nasty.

Answer: Why of course, blood clots and heart problems they are the pitfalls. IDIOT.

Your reference to vehicle accidents has no relevance to the vaccines and I am sick of it being trotted out. One example would be, you know and can control (in a lot of cases) the dangers of being on the road. With the vaccines you don't know (for sure) all the side effects and cannot control any of them. Except the one decision to have or not to have.

FYI: I am one of the haves.

Anyway, that was not what I was discussing.

You have called a lot of people idiots on this forum and I for one do not like it. Nasty, Nasty person.

Dicko1 · Senior Member

msg wrote:
Another untested vaccine (in Australia) Why?

We have got used to AZ & Pfizer and know their pitfalls.

It will be the cause of a new wave of hesitancy.

It may be different if we had a choice but they are still insisting on you get what you get.

Another untested vaccine? Where in the world do you get this rubbish.

In the UK, blood clots have occurred in people taking the AstraZeneca vaccine at a rate of roughly one in every 250,000, whereas blood clots caused by the pill are estimated to affect one in every 1,000 women each year.

Bloodclots?...read thishttps://theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-the-contraceptive-pill-158652

-- Edited by Dicko1 on Monday 9th of August 2021 05:33:38 PM

msg · Guru

You too Dicko? whilst very rare blood clots are nevertheless pitfalls. No matter what you compare them to. IDIOT

Dicko1 · Senior Member

msg wrote:
You too Dicko? whilst very rare blood clots are nevertheless pitfalls. No matter what you compare them to. IDIOT

Keep posting...Many only thought you were a clown....however now you are making it known that you are indeed a clown.

Life is a pitfall..

msg · Guru

Nasty, Nasty

yobarr · Guru

msg wrote:
Yobarr, Just looking to picking a fight? Pretty nasty.
Answer: Why of course, blood clots and heart problems they are the pitfalls. IDIOT.
Your reference to vehicle accidents has no relevance to the vaccines and I am sick of it being trotted out. One example would be, you know and can control (in a lot of cases) the dangers of being on the road. With the vaccines you don't know (for sure) all the side effects and cannot control any of them. Except the one decision to have or not to have.
FYI: I am one of the haves.
Anyway, that was not what I was discussing.
You have called a lot of people idiots on this forum and I for one do not like it. Nasty, Nasty person.

This may well confuse you,but referring to people in general as idiots,and calling any particular individual an idiot,are two vastly different things. "Nasty,nasty person",you say? Water off a duck's back to me,as I've been called worse things by better people. Great to see that you have had your shots,however.Very mature.Have a GREAT day.Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:08:17 PM

oldbloke · Guru

Over 3,000 death from falls in AU in 2019. And people are worried about 20 - 25 deaths from TTS. 200 from drowning. Some people are just dopes.

yobarr · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
Over 3,000 death from falls in AU in 2019. And people are worried about 20 - 25 deaths from TTS. 200 from drowning. Some people are just dopes.

Careful Neil,or you may well be consigned to the "Idiots" club,joining Ian (Dicko1) and I. Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:05:14 PM

Dicko1 · Senior Member

yobarr wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
Over 3,000 death from falls in AU in 2019. And people are worried about 20 - 25 deaths from TTS. 200 from drowning. Some people are just dopes.
Careful Neil,or you may well be consigned to the "Idiots" club,joining Ian (Dicko1) and I. Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 06:05:14 PM

Ease up Yobarr...I represent that remark.....lol.

Here is an interesting article regarding vaccination rate and opening up too early...

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-outbreak-as-high-vaccination-rates-stop-deaths/news-story/b970a814615715e573d67b3a1c1525f0