Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

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There was a study done (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00978-8/fulltext) that showed those countries that went for elimination of SARS-CoV2 were economically better of than those countries that tried for minimisation. It also prevented more deaths and hospital cases.

 

SARS-CoV2 has mutated into a more deadly and transmissible Delta version that will require more immediate lockdowns to control. We need to lockdown whenever there is an outbreak, vaccinate everyone and then open up the borders. We may not achieve elimination of SARS-CoV2 but by using these methods we may be able to nudge it into less severe version similar to what's happened with other coronaviruses. Otherwise the virus could become worse. Those people who are refusing to get vaccinated are risking the lives of everyone. Hopefully, they will be eliminated before they cause too much damage. 

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What a lot of sanctimonious dribble - my wife and I were trying to avoid being vaccinated with the Astra Zeneca until either the Pfiza or Moderna vaccine became available then we planned to be the first in line. In the meantime we have continued to follow all the health guidelines such as wearing masks, social distancing and staying home as much as possible in order to reduce the risk. When this current outbreak just down the road began we decided to bite the bullet and get the Astra shot I rang every place that was listed on the govt.s website and not one of them would even let us book in as they said they were only scheduling existing patients due to a lack of supply. I was advised to keep ringing back each week and eventually we may get a spot or alternatively we just wait until the planned govt. vaccination hub in an old Bunnings site opens next month. 

By the way I thought I read that this latest Sydney outbreak was caused by an unvaccinated driver who had transported a Ryan Air flight crew - wouldn't Ryan Air have been a cargo flight not carrying passengers ? From what I saw at yesterdays press update they seemed to be arguing whether the driver/company was at fault for not following the correct procedure or the health authorities were at fault because they hadn't actually specified anywhere that drivers needed to be vaccinated - the so called minister in charge said he thought it should have been common sense for the company to do it . Regardless of this latest incident they wonder why we continue to get leaks into the community when they insist on bringing thousands of potential carriers a week into the middle of our biggest cities, there seems to be a number of workable alternatives being offerred up by different states which just need funding from the feds...I would have thought that the cost to the economy of one lockdown would far exceed anything spent on setting up and running proper quarantine facilities. 

BB

Who is here, truck drivers, sparkies, chippies perhaps?

If you went to an oncologist and he explains you need prostrate surgery and if you don't, you will be dead in a year, do you follow his professional advice/judgement? Bet the answer is yes.

You go to a mechanic and he informs you your ute brakes are buggered, do you get the brakes repaired? Bet the answer is yes.
You get the idea, I'm sure.

A panel of Infectious Disease experts recommend lock down, masks, etc, etc, and rocket scientists here (with no related experience or qualifications) think they know better.


Bloody laughable. Sounds like an old blonde joke to me.  

bentaxlebabe wrote:

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 Good points there old bloke,

One for the anti vaxxers from the current news.

 

https://apple.news/APwpQ6JEOQx-qeQ7V80w_zw 

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"Short message is, get vaccinated."

... with which vaccine?

I've had one shot of AZ and am waiting for my second. Why isn't the government telling us who got what? If AZ is effective against the Delta variant, then why not shout it from the rooftops?

Our Coles store has enough toilet paper for a 1000 ar§eholes!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/nsw-covid-19-john-barilaro-says-state-lost-control-of-virus/100251538

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro has said his government "lost control" of the latest COVID-19 outbreak and could have locked down Greater Sydney a week earlier. 

Mr Barilaro said the state government followed health advice, but there was "no question, last week we lost control of the Delta strain".

Trevor 57 wrote:

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seems our Deputy Prime Minister thinks the rules don't apply to him and was fined accordingly - it is good to seem them lead by example - NOT!!!!!

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/barnaby-joyce-fined-for-not-wearing-mask-in-nsw-covid-19-breach/100251944

-- Edited by Trevor 57 on Tuesday 29th of June 2021 12:29:47 PM

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He should resign.

NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard on Monday illustrated the power of vaccination.
He revealed that seven people who had been at least partially vaccinated were not infected at a West Hoxton birthday party.
The party was attended by more than 30 people, and 24 people later tested positive for covid.
But six health workers who were fully vaccinated at the event, were not infected.
One other aged care worker who had one vaccine dose, was also not infected.
Mr Hazzard told news.com.au the six health workers had received the Pfizer vaccine, while the aged care worker had been given one dose of AstraZeneca.
The early and strong indications from that West Hoxton party are if youre vaccinated you are much more likely to not be infected with Covid-19, Mr Hazzard told reporters on Monday.
The ability of young people to get vaccinated in Australia previously depended on where they lived, what they did for work and if they had any underlying medical conditions or were disabled.
In general only people aged over 40 years old are eligible to get vaccinated in all states except the Northern Territory, where they are vaccinating anyone over the age of 16. Those between 40 and 59 are getting the Pfizer vaccine.
Its worth noting that the health advice from ATAGI has not changed and that Pfizer is the preferred vaccine for anyone under the age of 60.
RELATED: All Australians can now get vaccinated


Infectious diseases expert Professor Peter Collignon of Australian National University said it also important that those older than 70 years old were vaccinated as a priority, ahead of younger age groups as they were more likely to die if they got covid.
The people most at risk are those over 50 years old, but particularly those over 70, he told news.com.au.
If they ring a GP, its important they are in front of the queue ahead of 30 year olds.
About 68 per cent of Australians over 70 years old have had at least a first dose of covid vaccine.
In total, about 28 per cent of Australians aged over 16 have had their first dose, with more than seven million doses delivered. In the past week more than 700,000 doses were administered.
I think its good that people can have access (to AstraZeneca), it is approved for anyone over 18 (years old) anyway, but they need to provide informed consent because the risk is higher, Prof Collignon said.
He pointed out Australia did not have uncontrolled transmission of covid in the country and was not expected to experience this, even in NSW, which is grappling with a serious Delta outbreak.
I dont think the health advice should change as we dont have uncontrolled transmission in Australia, he said.
How much protection does vaccination provide?
The most compelling reason to be vaccinated is for the protection it provides against getting seriously ill or dying, including from the more infectious Delta variant.
Real world data from Public Health England published in a pre-print paper showed AstraZeneca was 92 per cent effective in preventing hospitalisation from those who got the Delta strain, once someone had both doses.
Its less effective at stopping people from getting the disease, with data showing it was about 67 per cent effective in protecting against symptomatic infection from Delta two weeks after the second dose. This dropped to about 30 per cent if people only had one dose.
Other benefits to consider include protection against complications associated with long covid.
Vaccination can also help protect unvaccinated members of a persons family or community by preventing transmission of the virus.
Eventually vaccinated people may also have greater freedoms including from lockdown or international travel, although this is not yet the case.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said once 10 million vaccine doses had been administered in the state, which should be enough to cover 80 per cent of the adult population, authorities would be able to factor in vaccinations when considering whether to go into lockdown.
So far theres only been about two million doses delivered.

peter67 wrote:

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Trevor 57 wrote:

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seems our Deputy Prime Minister thinks the rules don't apply to him and was fined accordingly - it is good to seem them lead by example - NOT!!!!!

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/barnaby-joyce-fined-for-not-wearing-mask-in-nsw-covid-19-breach/100251944

-- Edited by Trevor 57 on Tuesday 29th of June 2021 12:29:47 PM

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 Bob Hawke got fined for not wearing a seat belt, just sayin...

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 And Hawkey would have been the only one hurt if it went pear shaped

However if Joyce was COVID positive.  . . .     

bgt wrote:

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........ we need to manage covid.  (and not use lockdowns to do that).

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 I so wish those of this opinion would explain what living with the virus would look like.   Lockdowns, like the current one in QLD are an effective means of managing the virus in the short term.    Lockdowns to immediately establish the extent of outbreaks have so far kept me and mine safe.    Vague and undetailed musings about some unsupervised spread into the general population will not get my support.   Very high percentages of Vaccination appear to be the best long term management method.    

Izabarack wrote:

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bgt wrote:

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........ we need to manage covid.  (and not use lockdowns to do that).

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 I so wish those of this opinion would explain what living with the virus would look like.   Lockdowns, like the current one in QLD are an effective means of managing the virus in the short term.    Lockdowns to immediately establish the extent of outbreaks have so far kept me and mine safe.    Vague and undetailed musings about some unsupervised spread into the general population will not get my support.   Very high percentages of Vaccination appear to be the best long term management method.    

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These very lockdowns are the reason that these people are able to whine about lockdowns in relative safety instead of from a hospital bed.

Izabarack wrote:

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Trevor 57 wrote:

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......... and telling everyone to get the AstraZeneca shot.......
WTF is going on??

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 It's called Risk Management.   Big picture is that chance of serious side effects from AZ is very low while negative effects from the virus are quite high.   All this against a background of a pretty poor effort at getting the population vaccinated.  

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 Yep, but I'm scratching my head. I would have thought you sign an authorisation when you get it. Thought they would have been able to get it all along. It was "advice" only. I was surprised they raised the age to 60. Way too conservative IMO.

If I was scomo, I'd be looking for more ways to get it into arms ASAP. It might not be a sprint, but it is a race.

Now everyone is confused and unsure.

bgt wrote:

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I just love it when all the experts here wont show a quote, or miss quote, take things out of context and read between the lines. Almost a defamation case??

Logic has been pushed aside by fear and politics. Seems everyone wont accept the fact that at sometime in the future we are going to have to live with covid. 

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Now look who's taking things out of context and miss quoting (sic) and reading between the lines. Every person knows and accepts that ONE DAY we will all have to live with COVID. What the intelligent people don't accept is that we should open up TODAY, before we are all vaccinated. Why is that too hard for you to understand?

I guess this is basically what you are saying:

Singapore wants to stop counting Covid cases. Its roadmap could be a model for other countries:

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/singapore-covid-plan-intl-hnk/index.html