The whole of Sydney is now in lockdown....

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

RE: The whole of Sydney is now in lockdown....

Dicko1 · Senior Member

Trevor 57 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Maybe our politicians are smarter than we give them credit for.
Does anyone think this virus is going away? Does anyone think we can have lockdowns forever? To me it's pretty obvious the answer to both questions is NO.

So at some point we have to abandon lockdowns and the restrictions that go along with them. Now? Nope. If we dropped those restrictions now the health impacts would be horrific. Not enough people vaccinated.

As evidenced by comments in this thread, there is a strong resistance from many to be vaccinated, or to reject AstraZeneca due to its miniscule risk. But we have a shortage of Pfizer and the age recommendation has been set to 60, very much a kneejerk reaction. In UK it is 30.

So, maybe those setting the rules are running a balance between stopping the spread (thus causing complacency in the community), or allowing the numbers to grow a little (thus causing concern .... "I had better get vaccinated"). If they get the balance right the vaccination rate will grow, and save lives in the long term. If they lockdown too hard, the community will delay getting their vaccines, and lockdowns will continue for longer.
So, what would you do? Close things down to eliminate the current spread, with the downside being continued resistance to vaccination, and just delaying the inevitable. Or allow it to spread, resulting in panic in the community, but more people vaccinated. What balance would you choose?
Just my thoughts on it.

so, what King Boris of the UK has done is OK, let them run free with no restrictions, cases have sky-rocketed, NDS is being overwhelmed, vulnerable people are too scared to come of their homes - this is how a modern society should work - nice

The Netherlands opened up everything before Britain. A week later they apologised for making such a huge blunder. Cases and deaths shot up after a day. Singapore also tried it...now they are in more trouble than a robbers dog. Britain will also be overwhelmed.

The ONLY way out is with vaccination to as many people as possible as soon as possible. Morrisson stuffed up our vacc program....however the recent demonstrations have shown that the lunatic fringe couldnt care less anyway.

oldbloke · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Maybe our politicians are smarter than we give them credit for.
Does anyone think this virus is going away? Does anyone think we can have lockdowns forever? To me it's pretty obvious the answer to both questions is NO.

So at some point we have to abandon lockdowns and the restrictions that go along with them. Now? Nope. If we dropped those restrictions now the health impacts would be horrific. Not enough people vaccinated.

As evidenced by comments in this thread, there is a strong resistance from many to be vaccinated, or to reject AstraZeneca due to its miniscule risk. But we have a shortage of Pfizer and the age recommendation has been set to 60, very much a kneejerk reaction. In UK it is 30.

So, maybe those setting the rules are running a balance between stopping the spread (thus causing complacency in the community), or allowing the numbers to grow a little (thus causing concern .... "I had better get vaccinated"). If they get the balance right the vaccination rate will grow, and save lives in the long term. If they lockdown too hard, the community will delay getting their vaccines, and lockdowns will continue for longer.
So, what would you do? Close things down to eliminate the current spread, with the downside being continued resistance to vaccination, and just delaying the inevitable. Or allow it to spread, resulting in panic in the community, but more people vaccinated. What balance would you choose?
Just my thoughts on it.

so, what King Boris of the UK has done is OK, let them run free with no restrictions, cases have sky-rocketed, NDS is being overwhelmed, vulnerable people are too scared to come of their homes - this is how a modern society should work - nice

Yep, needs to be in steps.

Plain Truth · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Maybe our politicians are smarter than we give them credit for.
Does anyone think this virus is going away? Does anyone think we can have lockdowns forever? To me it's pretty obvious the answer to both questions is NO.

So at some point we have to abandon lockdowns and the restrictions that go along with them. Now? Nope. If we dropped those restrictions now the health impacts would be horrific. Not enough people vaccinated.

As evidenced by comments in this thread, there is a strong resistance from many to be vaccinated, or to reject AstraZeneca due to its miniscule risk. But we have a shortage of Pfizer and the age recommendation has been set to 60, very much a kneejerk reaction. In UK it is 30.

So, maybe those setting the rules are running a balance between stopping the spread (thus causing complacency in the community), or allowing the numbers to grow a little (thus causing concern .... "I had better get vaccinated"). If they get the balance right the vaccination rate will grow, and save lives in the long term. If they lockdown too hard, the community will delay getting their vaccines, and lockdowns will continue for longer.
So, what would you do? Close things down to eliminate the current spread, with the downside being continued resistance to vaccination, and just delaying the inevitable. Or allow it to spread, resulting in panic in the community, but more people vaccinated. What balance would you choose?
Just my thoughts on it.

so, what King Boris of the UK has done is OK, let them run free with no restrictions, cases have sky-rocketed, NDS is being overwhelmed, vulnerable people are too scared to come of their homes - this is how a modern society should work - nice

uk case.JPG

Plain Truth · Guru

This is interesting,go to a UK, hospital for something else,and you could end up a covid case

Are We Lost · Guru

Plain Truth, it would be plainer for others to see if you posted a current graph rather than one 9 months old and before any vaccines. The position at present is very different. Despite the rise in cases, the chance of death from COVID in the UK at present is less than one in a million of population. And the number of cases is falling again despite removal of most restrictions. There are still various recommendations for protection.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 28th of July 2021 06:35:21 PM

Plain Truth · Guru

Someone posted on the 25 th. that cases" have sky rocketed" in the UK that is a lie. They have declined by 15% compared to the week before

uk case.JPG

Craig1 · Guru

Has Glad stolen the country /regions vaccines? or does she not care about the 30-40 year olds in Sydney, or totally does not care about regions?

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

Plain Truth wrote:
Trevor 57 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Maybe our politicians are smarter than we give them credit for.
Does anyone think this virus is going away? Does anyone think we can have lockdowns forever? To me it's pretty obvious the answer to both questions is NO.

So at some point we have to abandon lockdowns and the restrictions that go along with them. Now? Nope. If we dropped those restrictions now the health impacts would be horrific. Not enough people vaccinated.

As evidenced by comments in this thread, there is a strong resistance from many to be vaccinated, or to reject AstraZeneca due to its miniscule risk. But we have a shortage of Pfizer and the age recommendation has been set to 60, very much a kneejerk reaction. In UK it is 30.

So, maybe those setting the rules are running a balance between stopping the spread (thus causing complacency in the community), or allowing the numbers to grow a little (thus causing concern .... "I had better get vaccinated"). If they get the balance right the vaccination rate will grow, and save lives in the long term. If they lockdown too hard, the community will delay getting their vaccines, and lockdowns will continue for longer.
So, what would you do? Close things down to eliminate the current spread, with the downside being continued resistance to vaccination, and just delaying the inevitable. Or allow it to spread, resulting in panic in the community, but more people vaccinated. What balance would you choose?
Just my thoughts on it.

so, what King Boris of the UK has done is OK, let them run free with no restrictions, cases have sky-rocketed, NDS is being overwhelmed, vulnerable people are too scared to come of their homes - this is how a modern society should work - nice

and COVID related deaths have hit a new high - not sure how the maths of that works out, but anyway

Are We Lost · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:

and COVID related deaths have hit a new high - not sure how the maths of that works out, but anyway

What??? The deaths are one twentieth of what they were in February. See the chart I posted last nght.

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

Craig1 wrote:
Has Glad stolen the country /regions vaccines? or does she not care about the 30-40 year olds in Sydney, or totally does not care about regions?

Yeah, just read that, she will blame other States and Feds 'for this terrible decision I have had to make'

It will drive a wedge between the regions and the city - good move Glad

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

The incompetence keeps growing

oldbloke · Guru

Look out if it gets into nursing homes again

yobarr · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:
The incompetence keeps growing

Since you seem to think that you can do better,perhaps you should run for Parliament? As I have said previously,unless you can offer a viable alternative,criticism of another's efforts is an exercise in stupidity.Cheers

Izabarack · Guru

yobarr wrote:
,unless you can offer a viable alternative, criticism of another's efforts is an exercise in stupidity.Cheers

Not stupid if you are a Shock Jock on Sky News, for example. Thats how they make their money. It is so easy to say negative things then sit back and wait for the ratings to go up. It, criticism rather than critique, does not require much thought and pulls the strings of those who need to react.

peter67 · Guru

Well said.

yobarr · Guru

Izabarack wrote:
yobarr wrote:
,unless you can offer a viable alternative, criticism of another's efforts is an exercise in stupidity.Cheers
Not stupid if you are a Shock Jock on Sky News, for example. Thats how they make their money. It is so easy to say negative things then sit back and wait for the ratings to go up. It, criticism rather than critique, does not require much thought and pulls the strings of those who need to react.

Perhaps that shows the lack of intelligence of their average listener? Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 29th of July 2021 07:19:24 PM

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

yobarr wrote:
Trevor 57 wrote:
The incompetence keeps growing
Since you seem to think that you can do better,perhaps you should run for Parliament? As I have said previously,unless you can offer a viable alternative,criticism of another's efforts is an exercise in stupidity.Cheers

I don't need to show anything, Victoria mucked it right up last year, you would think NSW would look at that and look at what Victoria (& S.A. & W.A. & Tasmania & N.T.) have done and learn from it - oh, they will just play Russian roulette with people lives, suppose it is not the decision makers balls in the vice, just the voters. The lock-down that ended Tuesday was the 2nd time we have fought off the DELTA, did NSW learn from that NO NO NO NO NO

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Its not totally gov . Some dont learn or need to the hard way !!

Izabarack · Guru

yobarr wrote:
Perhaps that shows the lack of intelligence of their average listener? Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 29th of July 2021 07:19:24 PM

I have held that belief for many a year. Another quick check for credibility is when the speaker tries to support their contention by referring to a story reported by any Murdock media outlet.

oldbloke · Guru

Izabarack wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Perhaps that shows the lack of intelligence of their average listener? Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 29th of July 2021 07:19:24 PM
I have held that belief for many a year. Another quick check for credibility is when the speaker tries to support their contention by referring to a story reported by any Murdock media outlet.

LoL. Just keep in mind. If you are of average intelligence 50% of the population is dumber than you. ;)

Whenarewethere · Guru

The new Federal Government Covid ad on TV last night to encourage people to get vaccinated.

They talk about VaccineS but say AZ is available.

How many feet does one have to shoot themselves!

oldbloke · Guru

I have a copy o the ABS Causes of Death Stats for 2019. This is free to down load.

Here are some stats to just put the AstraZeneca Clotting issue in perspective (TTS)
Current AU population 25,687,041

Cause No of deaths

Covid 19 923
TTS 5
Influenza 4124
Accidental falls 3298
Road Toll 1194
Gastro 211
Accidental drowning 199
Tuberculosis 40
Boating related drowning 21
Zoonotic Diseases 8
Accidental firearm 4
Bee/wasps 5
Snake bite 1

Unless you have very good reason just get Vaccinated.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Also more likely to be killed by law enforcement.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Actually that would make a good ad.

X number die from the vaccine & the State kills far more people in custody.

That should encourage people to get vaccinated.

Possum3 · Guru

In 2020, there were 396 victims of homicide and related offences recorded by the police. This was a decrease of 19 victims from 2019.

In 2020, most homicide and related offences:

occurred at a residential location (61% or 241 victims)
involved the use of a weapon (59% or 232 victims), most commonly a knife (116 victims)
For victims of homicide and related offences:

around two-thirds (67%) were male (264 victims)
two-fifths (40%) were aged between 35 to 54 years at the date of report (160 victims)
more than a third (37%) were family and domestic violence (FDV) related incidents (145 victims)

Source www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/latest-release

oldbloke · Guru

Whenarewethere wrote:
Actually that would make a good ad.

X number die from the vaccine & the State kills far more people in custody.

That should encourage people to get vaccinated.

That's sad.

Izabarack · Guru

Heard a good one today. Started with the comment that Delta is more infectious than Chickenpox. Kid overhearing asks Whats Chickenpox? Adult replies that the kid has nothing to worry about as you have been vaccinated and Herd Immunity against Chickenpox has been established in the community. Thats how Australians learnt to live with Chickenpox.

Just one more example of how the community learnt to live with infectious diseases, like Polio, Measles, Smallpox, and the rest.

Dicko1 · Senior Member

Izabarack wrote:
Heard a good one today. Started with the comment that Delta is more infectious than Chickenpox. Kid overhearing asks Whats Chickenpox? Adult replies that the kid has nothing to worry about as you have been vaccinated and Herd Immunity against Chickenpox has been established in the community. Thats how Australians learnt to live with Chickenpox.
Just one more example of how the community learnt to live with infectious diseases, like Polio, Measles, Smallpox, and the rest.

Yep..all thanks to vaccinations...but the anti vaxes wont have any of that!!!

Craig1 · Guru

why did a ninety year old die in Sydney today or yesterday with only having their 1st jab?