Covid vaccination and personal responsibility

Mike Harding · Guru

Covid vaccination and personal responsibility

vince56 · Senior Member

I think people who refuse to be vaccinated against Covid because it is "their right to choose" have a short memory, they have been lucky to live in a world where Smallpox, Polio, Yellow fever etc has been virtually wiped out because people (almost everyone) had been vaccinated against those diseases (usually whether you liked it or not). Take a look at the resurgence of Measles because of false information causing parents not to vaccinate their kids.
Currently Vaccination Passports have been discussed widely due to "human rights", once again people have a short memory, up to the 70's you needed a Vaccination Passport to enter a lot of countries, what is the difference?

oldbloke · Guru

I think its simple. They don't get ICU if they need it..

yobarr · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
I think its simple. They don't get ICU if they need it..

Most logical Covid post I've read.Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 9th of August 2021 04:40:14 PM

msg · Guru

Nasty, Nasty Yobarr and Old bloke

dogbox · Guru

oldbloke wrote:

I think its simple. They don't get ICU if they need it..

i don't think you can deny them medical treatment if they need it but as what happened in other countries was that doctors had to make a decision as to who got the ICU bed and/or ventilator, so if our health system gets overwhelmed some one will be making those decisions. does the person who got the vaccine an gets hit hard, or has a heart attack, accident or what ever get the bed or the person who didn't get the jab, for what ever reason. so far we have been lucky. our hospitals have not been pushed to the breaking point were those decisions have had to be made

Rob Driver · Guru

In my opinion, Personal Responsibility relating to vaccinations from many in Australia appears to be overruled by the peer pressure posts that are rife throughout social media pages.

This appears more from our younger generation than generally the older folk.

Foolish bravado will morph into Personal Responsibility when our hospitals are overrun with those outspoken, self entitled but ill informed groups that at present are casting their negative views for no other reason than to go against anything sensible within our communities.

Recently one of our daughters posted on her FB page that she was booked in to become vaccinated.
I could not believe the idiotic posts that came from some who I thought had a brain and would be responsible people.
Older family members and friends congratulated her while most of the younger ones referred to her as sheep and foolish. Some comments were quite hurtful.

Unfortunately these ill informed peanuts don't know how lucky that they are in a country which those in control actually cares for its population.

Maybe the death of a family member or a close friend who insisted that the vaccination of the community is not necessary will be the shock those irresponsible people need to grow up.

oldbloke · Guru

They make a conscious decision to increase their risk relating to covid19. So, let them pay the consequences. This way ICU will be available to those that need it but have not intentionally added risk. Why should someone die, so that a dumb tin hatter can live.
There are even people (tin hatters) out there that think the vaccine has been made to kill them. FMD. TBH, I think for these nutters that the "laws of survival of the fittest" (smarter) should apply.

Bad decision = bad result

yobarr · Guru

msg wrote:
Nasty, Nasty Yobarr and Old bloke

Nasty? Please explain. Probably too logical for some to comprehend? Cheers

msg · Guru

Just mind your own business and do what is right for you. Leave everyone else alone. I am sure they are aware of their responsibilities and whether they act on them or not is up to them. Your ranting is not going to change their minds or wake them up what they are doing. On here, you are preaching to the majority of the converted and probably a waste of time and trying their patience. I want to hear about travelling not COVID.

Tony Bev · Guru

I agree with what (OP) Mike Harding has said

But...

Unfortunately there will always be those who, (for whatever reasons), will never do the right thing

The man who took the virus from Sydney, to the Byron area, is not co-operating with police

I have no idea if he was vaccinated or not

What I am led to believe, is that he was out and about (while positive), never used the QR codes, or signed in anywhere, as he did not believe in it

Bicyclecamper · Guru

gaol him, but they wont, he will get a 200 $ fine and that will be it.

montie · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
I think its simple. They don't get ICU if they need it..

You reckon we should employ the firing squad! smile

Fortunately the Australian Govt does not share you bizarre opinion.

dogbox · Guru

msg wrote:

Just mind your own business and do what is right for you. Leave everyone else alone. I am sure they are aware of their responsibilities and whether they act on them or not is up to them. Your ranting is not going to change their minds or wake them up what they are doing. On here, you are preaching to the majority of the converted and probably a waste of time and trying their patience. I want to hear about travelling not COVID.

unfortunately we can't do a lot of travelling at the moment because of the few people who think the rules don't apply to themselves , an the rest of us (majority ) have to sit tight , till enough people get vaccinated

Craig1 · Guru

Encouraging from Melb news tonight that lots of 20-40 have booked in and will take the best vaccine, IE the one that is available.

Dicko1 · Senior Member

msg wrote:
Just mind your own business and do what is right for you. Leave everyone else alone. I am sure they are aware of their responsibilities and whether they act on them or not is up to them. Your ranting is not going to change their minds or wake them up what they are doing. On here, you are preaching to the majority of the converted and probably a waste of time and trying their patience. I want to hear about travelling not COVID.

You want to hear about travelling and not covid...

Well get out of the "I digress" section...bloody simple really.

oldbloke · Guru

montie wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
I think its simple. They don't get ICU if they need it..
You reckon we should employ the firing squad!
Fortunately the Australian Govt does not share you bizarre opinion.

My simple reply

Just keep in mind just like the flu and common cold. eventually everyone will get the Covid19.

AU population currently by the ABS 25,798,700

Total number of Covid cases as of today 36,630 = 1 in 704 (this explains why u may not know anyone who has had covid19)

Total number of Covid deaths 939

Total number of TTS deaths 5

Projected number of deaths by TTS 25 to 26 Based on 1 per ml which is statistically accurate at this point, but assumes everyone gets the AstraZeneca

36,630/939 = 39 this means 1 in 39 cases die from the Covid19 if they catch the disease

Soo, 939 x 704 = 661,056 people will die if there are no more vaccinations.

So, my opinion is bizarre? Well I think anyone who does not get the vaccination (unless there is a medical reason) are the ones who are bizarre. (stupid)

I think if anyone makes the bizarre (stupid) decision to not get vaccinated should not increase the risk of death for any person who might need ICU for any reason. So anti-vaxers should go to the bottom of the list of for health care when they get covid 19 IMO. I have zero sympathy for them. If they want to increase their risk of death, good luck to them. But don't expect help that might increase the risk of death of someone else. A bit like drunk, speeding drivers.

bad decisions = bad results

msg · Guru

You are preaching to the converted.

oldbloke · Guru

msg wrote:
You are preaching to the converted.

Hope so.

dorian · Guru

msg wrote:
Nasty, Nasty Yobarr and Old bloke

You can include me. These selfish holdouts can stand or lie down at the end of the ICU queue.

Rob Driver · Guru

dorian wrote:
msg wrote:
Nasty, Nasty Yobarr and Old bloke
You can include me. These selfish holdouts can stand or lie down at the end of the ICU queue.

msg,

You can also include me on your list.

We have lost a much loved family member to Covid 19. We lost her prior to any vaccination being available and during a lockdown which prevented any family members from visiting her or even supporting her.

I have absolutely no time at all for anti vaxxers.
To deny having a vaccine that will protect us all is the worst form of anyone avoiding any personal responsibility and anyone who supports these people is not helping anyone.

To deny these same people an ICU bed should they get Covid is no different to them denying the majority of the population their responsibility in refusing a vaccination.

Just get vaccinated and encourage others to do the same.

dorian · Guru

Rob Driver wrote:
dorian wrote:
msg wrote:
Nasty, Nasty Yobarr and Old bloke
You can include me. These selfish holdouts can stand or lie down at the end of the ICU queue.
msg,
You can also include me on your list.
We have lost a much loved family member to Covid 19. We lost her prior to any vaccination being available and during a lockdown which prevented any family members from visiting her or even supporting her.
I have absolutely no time at all for anti vaxxers.
To deny having a vaccine that will protect us all is the worst form of anyone avoiding any personal responsibility and anyone who supports these people is not helping anyone.
To deny these same people an ICU bed should they get Covid is no different to them denying the majority of the population their responsibility in refusing a vaccination.
Just get vaccinated and encourage others to do the same.

My father was admitted to ICU several years ago, when he was in his late 80s, and after he contracted a drug resistant pneumococcal infection whilst in hospital. Even at that time the doctors were hesitant to admit him, citing his poor chances. Nevertheless they did, and he survived for a further two years at home before going into care, where he is now. If he had had to compete with a COVID antivaxxer for his ICU bed, he would probably have died.

dogbox · Guru

ever notice that a lot of the anti - vaxers that front up on tv have a number of tattoos, body piercings ect

Santa · Guru

dogbox wrote:
ever notice that a lot of the anti - vaxers that front up on tv have a number of tattoos, body piercings ect

And they need a bloody good wash.

yobarr · Guru

dogbox wrote:
ever notice that a lot of the anti - vaxers that front up on tv have a number of tattoos, body piercings ect

Yes .. No JABS and no JOBS?

-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 10th of August 2021 10:23:07 AM

Mike Harding · Guru

It seems there are still many who think Covid is just like the flu - it may be mild in some but in others it will kill.

From today's The Age:

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Weve been told that he hasnt been checking in anywhere, Byron Shire Mayor Michael Lyon said on Tuesday. He came up from Sydney in late July, ostensibly to look at real estate.

But hes apparently been quite evasive with questions. Nothing in his phone in terms of QR codes, didnt believe in COVID. So sick that he had to go to hospital and thats when its twigged, hes got COVID.

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COVID-positive man looking at real estate in Byron Bay

msg · Guru

Yep You lot are the reason no one else posts on here anymore. Just a collection of nasty bitter old men looking to upset people and you should be banned. You have ruined this site.

Mike Harding · Guru

msg:

It seems to me that:

1 - you seriously resent anyone posting something which conflicts with your views.

2 - if there is a bitter personality here it is you - reflect upon many of your posts where you disparage others, including me.

3 - you have an entrenched view of the Covid situation and you will never budge from that no matter the evidence to the contrary.

4 - I wonder why you post and conflict in these threads if you resent them so much?

5 - as far as I can tell posts to this site have increased noticeably over the past year or so.

msg · Guru

Back at you.

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

msg wrote:
Just mind your own business and do what is right for you. Leave everyone else alone. I am sure they are aware of their responsibilities and whether they act on them or not is up to them. Your ranting is not going to change their minds or wake them up what they are doing. On here, you are preaching to the majority of the converted and probably a waste of time and trying their patience. I want to hear about travelling not COVID.

For someone who wants to talk about travelling you certainly spend a lot of your forum time in the *I Digress* section or just commenting on the Covid topics.

It seems to be all good for you until someone posts something that you dont agree with.

Oh and I am a newbie here in the last twelve months.

-- Edited by Clarky 1 on Tuesday 10th of August 2021 02:23:12 PM