Rolling Coal

Gundog · Guru

Rolling Coal

Kebbin · Guru

Probably a petrol head driving a diesel to much fuel with the heavy foot, he probably thinks he is going faster? Just another Ron Moore.

Craig1 · Guru

Usually Nissan's

Brodie Allen · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
Usually Nissan's

Never been behind a Nissan that doesn't fill the air with smoke.

No wonder Nissan gave diesel the flick. Must be enormously expensive

to operate with so much unburnt fuel coming out of the exhaust pipe.

I'd be ashamed to drive one.

I have reported a few to the website.

Rob Driver · Guru

This might be a simple explanation for the V8 Toyota blowing black when accelerating.

https://www.project200.com.au/maf-map-filter/

Maybe some maintenance is required.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

Rolling coal is definitely a thing here in Oz, especially out in the mining districts in Central QLD. Had a it a fair bit whilst doing cycle touring out there, especially after knock off time. They really enjoy doing it to cyclists.

oldbloke · Guru

Are you sure it wasn't a Toyo LC. :) ?

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Hi oldbloke,
A 79 series is a Toyota Landcruiser.
The 79 series has virtually the same V8 as the 200 series but the 79 has a single turbo and the 200 has a twin turbo.

I have a mate with a 2014 model 200 and his can blow black smoke when he puts his boot into it but he has worked out to drive it manually.
He says he stays in 3rd and 4th around town and 4th up to 80 kph and then uses 5th. He recons if he stays out of 6th the motor runs sweeter and he actually uses less fuel than if he uses 6th
He recons in 6th the motor lugs along at a very low revs and the fuel is not being burned.
This could be right, I dont know but it sounds reasonable to me.

Those Nissans were a known rolling coaler. They all did it.

rgren2 · Guru

Those Nissans were a known rolling coaler. They all did it.

Big statement. Which motor are you talking about.

Ivan 01 · Guru

Rgren2

About 7 years ago I had a Patrol that would blot out sunlight when you put your foot down. Mine was a ute but those wagons were observed doing it as well.

I do see that some Toyotas are doing it when accelerating hard.

yobarr · Guru

Clarky 1 wrote:
Hi oldbloke,
A 79 series is a Toyota Landcruiser.
The 79 series has virtually the same V8 as the 200 series but the 79 has a single turbo and the 200 has a twin turbo.

I have a mate with a 2014 model 200 and his can blow black smoke when he puts his boot into it but he has worked out to drive it manually.
He says he stays in 3rd and 4th around town and 4th up to 80 kph and then uses 5th. He recons if he stays out of 6th the motor runs sweeter and he actually uses less fuel than if he uses 6th
He reckons in 6th the motor lugs along at very low revs and fuel is not being burned.
This could be right, I dont know but it sounds reasonable to me.

Those Nissans were a known rolling coaler. They all did it.

There are many who believe that driving in as high a gear as possible is a good thing to do,and that because the revs are lower,the car will use less fuel,but this is incorrect. Keeping the revs up results in the engine running cooler,with lower water temps,lower oil temps,lower engine temp,better air circulatiin and better fuel economy because the engine is working more efficiently,keeping it clean.Your friend may have researched this,or he may have stumbled on the result by experiment,but either way he is correct.With my little V8 I change gear at 3000rpm and never let the revs get below about 1600rpm,but I still manage to get 5.8km/litre (17 litres/100km+/-) while running at 6800kg GCM.Nothing like having a bit of V8 grunt! Cheers

P.S NEVER a sign of any smoke because I have had the engine tuned by one of the best in the business.Cost big dollars,but well worth it!

-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 7th of January 2022 09:58:15 PM

rgren2 · Guru

Ivan 01 wrote:
Rgren2

About 7 years ago I had a Patrol that would blot out sunlight when you put your foot down. Mine was a ute but those wagons were observed doing it as well.

I do see that some Toyotas are doing it when accelerating hard.

Still didnt answer the question.
If you were rolling coal with a standard engine, there was definitely something wrong.

Either your tune or your driving style.

Ivan 01 · Guru

rgren2 wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
Rgren2

About 7 years ago I had a Patrol that would blot out sunlight when you put your foot down. Mine was a ute but those wagons were observed doing it as well.

I do see that some Toyotas are doing it when accelerating hard.
Still didnt answer the question.
If you were rolling coal with a standard engine, there was definitely something wrong.
Either your tune or your driving style.

Sorry rgren2 but I didnt make the statement you quoted originally. All I mentioned that I had a Patrol that would blow black smoke.

The motor was a diesel but A motor is A motor to me. If it starts and runs then all is good.

The Nissan I had was gutless but reliable. I was warned off the newer Nissan Patrols as the motors could blow pistons according to a mechanic who services them. These werent the newest models but those ones with a smaller diesel. I think they were about 3 litre.

Due to my requirements and finances at the time I bought a Triton which doesnt seem to blow black smoke and is still going strong.

When I got crook I sold the van I had. The triton served me well towing that unit.

Maybe Clarky1 could identify those Nissan engines that were all guilty of being smokers.

-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 7th of January 2022 10:16:22 PM

rgren2 · Guru

Maybe Clarky1 could identify those Nissan engines that were all guilty of being smokers

Good point.
I wait with anticipation for his reply.

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

rgren2 wrote:
Maybe Clarky1 could identify those Nissan engines that were all guilty of being smokers

Good point.
I wait with anticipation for his reply.

Howdy rgren 2

It is not only my observation that is reporting this situation but here is a Google search link to plenty of reading on the problem. 10 pages of links.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=my+nissan+ute+blows+black+smoke&client=safari&hl=en-au&sxsrf=AOaemvJ_n3sbbIhPYVLaMRFTeDVEQsDjxw:1641592152892&ei=WLXYYYzxNaSfseMPzrerwAg&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiM_Y2pz6D1AhWkT2wGHc7bCog4FBDy0wN6BAgBED0&biw=1180&bih=771&dpr=2

If that vehicle in you avatar is your current vehicle you might want to be aware that some of those models can have trouble not so much with blowing black smoke but blowing pistons. This can result in big dollars for unsuspecting owners.

https://www.exploroz.com/forum/26648/nissan-30td-piston-failure

https://www.exploroz.com/forum/39511/2001-nissan-patrol-30-litre-turbo-blowing-up

https://www.exploroz.com/forum/28853/nissan-patrol-zd-30-piston-failure?ky=Nissan%20patrol%20piston%20failure&p=%2fforum%3fs%3d1%26ky%3dNissan%2bpatrol%2bpiston%2bfailure%26pn%3d1

The reference I made to blowing black smoke was my observation.

Craig1 and Brodie Allen made mention of a similar observation, maybe you might question them as well or maybe they might like to comment further.

edit text.

-- Edited by Clarky 1 on Saturday 8th of January 2022 09:21:33 AM

rgren2 · Guru

Making broad sweeping statements about a brand, not any particular model or engine is just ignorance. If exploroz is your only reference you will need to expand your reading. Yes, the 3L DI did have an early problem for some vehicles, but not all. The DI was replaced in 2007 by the CRD, mine is a 2008 model. I can assure you that it does not roll coal. I did get booked once in my Toyota Hilux in Sydney for excessive smoke, which was understandable as I was taking off from a set of traffic lights up a steep hill and the 2.2L diesel was not noted for its power, that required me to reduce the fuel further reducing power. I was very happy to see the last of that vehicle in the dealers yard.

yobarr · Guru

Clarky 1 wrote:
rgren2 wrote:
Maybe Clarky1 could identify those Nissan engines that were all guilty of being smokers

Good point.
I wait with anticipation for his reply.
Howdy rgren 2
It is not only my observation that is reporting this situation but here is a Google search link to plenty of reading on the problem. 10 pages of links.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=my+nissan+ute+blows+black+smoke&client=safari&hl=en-au&sxsrf=AOaemvJ_n3sbbIhPYVLaMRFTeDVEQsDjxw:1641592152892&ei=WLXYYYzxNaSfseMPzrerwAg&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiM_Y2pz6D1AhWkT2wGHc7bCog4FBDy0wN6BAgBED0&biw=1180&bih=771&dpr=2
If that vehicle in you avatar is your current vehicle you might want to be aware that some of those models can have trouble not so much with blowing black smoke but blowing pistons. This can result in big dollars for unsuspecting owners.
https://www.exploroz.com/forum/26648/nissan-30td-piston-failure

https://www.exploroz.com/forum/39511/2001-nissan-patrol-30-litre-turbo-blowing-up

https://www.exploroz.com/forum/28853/nissan-patrol-zd-30-piston-failure?ky=Nissan%20patrol%20piston%20failure&p=%2fforum%3fs%3d1%26ky%3dNissan%2bpatrol%2bpiston%2bfailure%26pn%3d1

The reference I made to blowing black smoke was my observation.
Craig1 and Brodie Allen made mention of a similar observation, maybe you might question them as well or maybe they might like to comment further.

Thanks for putting this up Stu.It is common knowledge that the 3 litre Nissan diesel was a dud,not only blowing pistons but being gutless from day one.Bad move dropping the 4.2 litre motor,probably among the best motors ever built.Now you can instead buy a 400hp V8 petrol powered model, and tow your own fuel tanker.Beautiful machine,looks good,well built,with abundant power.My neighbour bought one brand new,and several months later towed a nicely set up camper trailer to Cameron Corner and back.Almost had to sell his house to zero the credit card.Cheers

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Yes and it included the CRD engine as is stated in several other Nissan owner forums.

Nissan was reluctant to admit any fault.
The truth had to come from owner forums.

Rgren2 might like to do searches under Nissan CRD engines melting pistons or similar. There are several forums all saying basically the same thing.

I didnt make this up, it is fact.

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Here ya go rgren2

Some more reading from a variety of owner forums.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Nissan+CRD+engines+melting+pistons&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-au&client=safari

rgren2 · Guru

There is a much better place to look.

www.patrol4x4.com/

Bobdown · Guru

You are all hoons and petrolheads............ smile smile smile

Craig1 · Guru

Just simple observation from me and the cook. We see a Nissan around town and 9 times out of ten she blows the smoke. But I owned a Nissan MQ (1984) and it also choofed plenty in early 90's. A 3,3litre old style diesel, so not much changed.

My lawn mower man had the 4.2litre turbo Patrol Wagon, it had a big haemorage and blew white smoke.

Derek Barnes · Senior Member

Maybe all these smoke blowers simply havent ever been serviced in their life !?

peter67 · Guru

I think you hit the nail on the head Derek. All comments mechanical as discussed above should be prefaced by the vehicle service history and any modifications.