I remember the "Four minute warning" in the UK in the 1960s and doing school practice for it.

I sometimes wonder which Australian towns the Chinese have pre-targeted to destroy as an initial strike to indicate to us not to resist their forthcoming invasion; Townsville, Albury, Wagga Wagga maybe....

This is why we should *currently* have nuclear armed submarines.

Mike Harding wrote:

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I remember the "Four minute warning" in the UK in the 1960s and doing school practice for it.

I sometimes wonder which Australian towns the Chinese have pre-targeted to destroy as an initial strike to indicate to us not to resist their forthcoming invasion; Townsville, Albury, Wagga Wagga maybe....

This is why we should *currently* have nuclear armed submarines.

 

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 I'll support them if they do Canberra during a sitting time.

Dont worry, you can bet your right knacker every major city has been taegeted for the last 30 years. And some of the targets just might surprise you.

Covid was never germ warfare. If it was the death rate would be more like 80%

Mike Harding wrote:

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dorian wrote:

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But 26 million people can't all fit on nuclear submarines.

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Oh Dorian, don't be obtuse, it's tiresome.

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I'm just being realistic. A handful of nukes landing on our major cities would kill 80% of us. The same number landing on a country of 1.4 billion people would give them a bloody nose.

If AUKUS is to be effective in standing up to the Chinese bully, we need to look for allies in Asia. Presumably these allies would need to have nuclear deterrents, too. 

The reality is that China could shut down Australia in minutes with a cyber attack. Or it could kill our economy by controlling our access to their manufacturing sector, or by banning our exports.

In fact I contacted several politicians and agencies, explaining how tools produced by the NSA's Equation Group were now all over the Internet. I have a copy of one of these tools. These are designed to attack the firmware of storage devices and cannot be detected or removed by antimalware software. I only received two automated responses, nothing more.

Dorian's right. Any country that wishes to invade Australia would use a cyber attack. It costs very little and more importantly, it is difficult to trace. A nuclear attack would be very obvious and a sensible attacking country would save its nuclear weapons for opposing countries that also have nuclear weapons. The worst thing Australia could do is have nuclear weapons. We'd then be a target for nuclear attack.

A cyber attack could easily destroy a society. First, the government couldn't govern without communication, not that the government is effectively doing that now.   Second, just bringing down a few infrastructures would destroy Australia. No electricity => no fuel => no food => anarchy, riots and decimation of the population. 

I'll let the government know:

"Buzz Lightbulb and Dorian have no doubt the Chinks will make a cyber attack, so cut spending on conventional and increase IT and don't worry about their nukes because Corndoggy knows they won't use them.

No,no... I don't think any of them have any military or strategic planning experience at all but I have it in mind Dorian may have been in the Boy Scouts, it that helps...? Oh! No, sorry I don't think I'm allowed to write that on the forum."

Honestly! Why do you people make such fanciful assertions without a shred of evidence?

Corndoggy wrote:

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Mike Harding wrote:

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I remember the "Four minute warning" in the UK in the 1960s and doing school practice for it.

I sometimes wonder which Australian towns the Chinese have pre-targeted to destroy as an initial strike to indicate to us not to resist their forthcoming invasion; Townsville, Albury, Wagga Wagga maybe....

This is why we should *currently* have nuclear armed submarines.

 

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 I'll support them if they do Canberra during a sitting time.

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 Remember the Russian agricultural machinery !!!

Santa wrote:

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Morning Dorian, our new submarines will be nuclear-powered, not nuclear armed.

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Now I'm really confused. Where is the deterrent, then? 

Mike Harding wrote:

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I'll let the government know:

"Buzz Lightbulb and Dorian have no doubt the Chinks will make a cyber attack, so cut spending on conventional and increase IT and don't worry about their nukes because Corndoggy knows they won't use them.

 

No. I didn't say that. You are speculating.

No,no... I don't think any of them have any military or strategic planning experience at all but I have it in mind Dorian may have been in the Boy Scouts, it that helps...? Oh! No, sorry I don't think I'm allowed to write that on the forum."

Honestly! Why do you people make such fanciful assertions without a shred of evidence?

 

Probably, just like you, we have opinions and so express those opinions. I also have had a career in IT and know how easy it is to create a major disruption to a country via hacking from another country.

 

You, typically Mike, on the other hand, seem to find it easier to attack people's opinions rather than provide facts. 

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Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

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You, typically Mike, on the other hand, seem to find it easier to attack people's opinions rather than provide facts.  

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If you feel sufficiently confident in the veracity and worth of your opinion to publish it in order the world may benefit from your wisdom then, quite simply, you must expect criticism: and if that criticism stings you to the core them your mummy didn't bring you up to be anywhere near resilient enough.