Are Australian over 65 living in poverty?

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

RE: Are Australian over 65 living in poverty?

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

dogbox wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:

We can thank Thomas Midgety for the hole in the Ozone layer and for for putting lead in petrol to stop engine knocking.
Did more damage to the world's environment and peoples health than any other human.They even made him chairman of U.S.academy of sciences.
https://interestingengineering.com/thomas-midgley-jr-the-man-who-harmed-the-world-the-most

another case of fix one problem and create a bigger one ,but i can't see the connection as to how it relates to " over 65 living in poverty" unless it means there are fewer of us as a result the use of lead in petrol (what about lead in paint and all the babies chewing on the crib rails)

I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore. Another successful science result.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:
We can thank Thomas Midgety for the hole in the Ozone layer and for for putting lead in petrol to stop engine knocking.
Did more damage to the world's environment and peoples health than any other human.They even made him chairman of U.S.academy of sciences.
https://interestingengineering.com/thomas-midgley-jr-the-man-who-harmed-the-world-the-most

Yes. I seem to remember he was strangled by his own traction, pulley system whilst in hospital. Poetic justice.

dogbox · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

dogbox wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:

We can thank Thomas Midgety for the hole in the Ozone layer and for for putting lead in petrol to stop engine knocking.
Did more damage to the world's environment and peoples health than any other human.They even made him chairman of U.S.academy of sciences.
https://interestingengineering.com/thomas-midgley-jr-the-man-who-harmed-the-world-the-most

another case of fix one problem and create a bigger one ,but i can't see the connection as to how it relates to " over 65 living in poverty" unless it means there are fewer of us as a result the use of lead in petrol (what about lead in paint and all the babies chewing on the crib rails)
I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore. Another successful science result.

you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime.
this thread was about poor pensioners not climate change/ global warming

Cupie · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
We can thank Thomas Midgety for the hole in the Ozone layer and for for putting lead in petrol to stop engine knocking.
Did more damage to the world's environment and peoples health than any other human.They even made him chairman of U.S.academy of sciences.
https://interestingengineering.com/thomas-midgley-jr-the-man-who-harmed-the-world-the-most

Yes. I seem to remember he was strangled by his own traction, pulley system whilst in hospital. Poetic justice.

In late 1940, he contracted polio which continued to progress and left him in the confines of his home. Even so, he was able to design a system of pulleys to allow him to move from one place to another without the need to be assisted by another person.

Like his several other inventions though, this ambulatory aid he made for himself also had its own dangers. On the second day of November 1944, he slipped and accidentally became entangled in the devices ropes which in turn strangled him to death. He was 55 years old.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

dogbox wrote:
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

dogbox wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:

We can thank Thomas Midgety for the hole in the Ozone layer and for for putting lead in petrol to stop engine knocking.
Did more damage to the world's environment and peoples health than any other human.They even made him chairman of U.S.academy of sciences.
https://interestingengineering.com/thomas-midgley-jr-the-man-who-harmed-the-world-the-most

another case of fix one problem and create a bigger one ,but i can't see the connection as to how it relates to " over 65 living in poverty" unless it means there are fewer of us as a result the use of lead in petrol (what about lead in paint and all the babies chewing on the crib rails)
I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore. Another successful science result.

you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime.
this thread was about poor pensioners not climate change/ global warming

Dogbox,

I did say lead was no longer in paint. Maybe you need some reading glasses.

I'm just following the tread. Someone else mentioned lead in paint so can't I respond? Or don't you remember your own posts?

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Saturday 7th of May 2022 12:00:50 PM

dogbox · Guru

you did state "I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore "

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

dogbox wrote:
you did state "I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore "

That's right and you stated 'you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime'.

I think globally, I know that lead in paint has been banned in Australia but I don't know if it's been banned in every country in the world. I couldn't be bothered checking that so I put that slight caveat on statement, which you appear to jump on. Are you absolutely sure that it's been banned world wide. If so, please provide evidence of that.

Cupie · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
dogbox wrote:
you did state "I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore "
That's right and you stated 'you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime'.

I think globally, I know that lead in paint has been banned in Australia but I don't know if it's been banned in every country in the world. I couldn't be bothered checking that so I put that slight caveat on statement, which you appear to jump on. Are you absolutely sure that it's been banned world wide. If so, please provide evidence of that.

Have a look at this then

ipen-global-lead-report-2017-v1_2-en.pdf

dogbox · Guru

Cupie wrote:

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
dogbox wrote:
you did state "I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore "
That's right and you stated 'you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime'.

I think globally, I know that lead in paint has been banned in Australia but I don't know if it's been banned in every country in the world. I couldn't be bothered checking that so I put that slight caveat on statement, which you appear to jump on. Are you absolutely sure that it's been banned world wide. If so, please provide evidence of that.
Have a look at this then
ipen-global-lead-report-2017-v1_2-en.pdf

it would appear than there is still some paints being used in mostly third world countries that contain lead , so i will have to stand corrected on that point.

dorian · Guru

Gundog wrote:
Remember the scare campaign about the ozone layer a few years back, funny we dont hear a peep about it now Hmmm.

We don't hear a peep because the problem has been addressed and the ozone hole is now closing up. It's what happens when legislators listen to scientists.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Cupie wrote:
Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
dogbox wrote:
you did state "I don't think that they put lead in paint anymore "
That's right and you stated 'you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime'.

I think globally, I know that lead in paint has been banned in Australia but I don't know if it's been banned in every country in the world. I couldn't be bothered checking that so I put that slight caveat on statement, which you appear to jump on. Are you absolutely sure that it's been banned world wide. If so, please provide evidence of that.
Have a look at this then
ipen-global-lead-report-2017-v1_2-en.pdf

Thanks Cupie,

That's a big document so I didn't read it all but it did remind me of a study that I read indicating that low socioeconomic children were the most affected by lead because they may live, and/or their schools were, next to busy roads. That lead caused lower cognitive performance and so it keep those people in poverty as they grew up.

I think the study was in the UK or USA but it was more than a day ago that I read it so the details are a bit vague. and before anyone jumps on this, I did NOT live or go to a school close to busy roads.

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 8th of May 2022 09:48:37 AM

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 8th of May 2022 09:49:37 AM

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 8th of May 2022 09:50:05 AM

Cupie · Guru

I have first hand knowledge of a person who as a child developed the habit of licking the back steps railings as the rain trickled down. He developed a very high lead content in his system and suffered severe physical & physiological damage for the rest of his life. Was unable to ever work & passed away relatively early.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

dogbox wrote:
you have to try an keep up buzz lead in paint has been gone longtime.
this thread was about poor pensioners not climate change/ global warming

Regarding the link between climate change and poor pensioners:

Another report mentioned that people who live on the pension and do NOT own their own home will likely live in poverty. (TThe pension isn't enough to pay rent and other living expenses)

People have mentioned that they are finding it hard to keep up with insurance premiums. Premiums are going up because of more claims due to more natural disasters: bushfires, floods, etcetera. If people can't insure their homes then they are likely to lose their home if they can't replace it after a natural disaster.

The news report mentioned that some homes may not be insurable due to climate change. There is more severe weather and hence natural disasters due to climate change.

Therefore, those people with uninsured homes will not be able to own their own homes, if it's damaged due a disaster, and may be pushed into poverty.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Cupie wrote:
I have first hand knowledge of a person who as a child developed the habit of licking the back steps railings as the rain trickled down. He developed a very high lead content in his system and suffered severe physical & physiological damage for the rest of his life. Was unable to ever work & passed away relatively early.

I'm sure there are lots of similar stories. The good news is that scientific research is finding these problems and will hopefully help future generations. Unfortunately it wasn't early enough to save your associate. cry

I do remember that some people with high lead content were also found to be more aggressive. Maybe some people on this forum need a blood test?

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 8th of May 2022 11:57:09 AM

msg · Guru

Read up a bit on the effects of lead poisoning in Mt. Isa.

yobarr · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Cupie wrote:
I have first hand knowledge of a person who as a child developed the habit of licking the back steps railings as the rain trickled down. He developed a very high lead content in his system and suffered severe physical & physiological damage for the rest of his life. Was unable to ever work & passed away relatively early.
I'm sure there are lots of similar stories. The good news is that scientific research is finding these problems and will hopefully help future generations. Unfortunately it wasn't early enough to save your associate.

I do remember that some people with high lead content were also found to be more aggressive. Maybe some people on this forum need a blood test?

Anybody got initials P and B? Cheers