This has been a snow job by the supermarkets, they were very concerned about the environmental impact of the "single use" bags they gave away but are more than happy to sell them.

aussiebottlo wrote:

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This has been a snow job by the supermarkets, they were very concerned about the environmental impact of the "single use" bags they gave away but are more than happy to sell them.

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 Agree. It was a false premise that banning those free shopping bags would reduce the amount of plastic going to landfill. One of my family members used to use those free shopping for garbage until they were withdrawn. Now it's the much thicker 15c shopping bags. Or the rolls of made for the purpose garbage bags. Again, thicker.

I refuse to buy garbage bags on principal and use the smaller lightweight ones that you see on rolls in the fruit and vege sections. Sometimes the rubbish just gets emptied into the bin in bulk. That is what we should be doing, and giving the bin a clean when needed.

As the supermarkets look for more cost cutting ways they are removing the deli counter and only providing the same stuff in prepackaged units ... in plastic. If there was a serious effort to reduce single use plastic, the supermarkets should be given a target to reduce the amount of plastic that gets passed through the checkout. Make it a yearly improvement target.

 

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Yes, the scientific study showed that there was less plastic in the study area after the bans.

 

That's the first study that I have seen to show the results of the ban. It would be nice if there were more studies in other areas to show if it is local, statewide or national.

 

The study relies partially on volunteers picking up rubbish and puting it into collection bins. It would be nice if those collection bins were located all around Australia for similar studies.

 

One can vocalise one's opinion of whether the bans work or not, but the study shows that the ban works.

did not 60 minutes do a story on the compostable plastic bags an an found that even though they broke down much quicker the heavy metals that was left behind was much higher than the single use bags that broke down a lot slower ?

i do believe another outcome was that the multi use plastic bags had to be used x number(can't remember) of times to be more enviro friendly , and they usually gave up the ghost before reaching that number, so contributed more heavier plastic that takes longer to breakdown . the plastic may still be there just locked up for a while longer till all the heavier bags start to make their presents felt in the enviroment

we might have to go back to taking our goods home in paper bags or cardboard boxes ( back to save the trees) we use to send our plastic refuse to china (visy did by the container load ) then they would send it back to us

-- Edited by dogbox on Monday 25th of April 2022 03:07:39 PM

Walking past our local MacDonald's while walking our dog a few mornings ago I commented on the rubbish strewn around.
Why are plastic straws banned when the lid for the cardboard container is a plastic dome with a hole for the straw to go thru?
They were everywhere.

It sounds like a good idea. It appears that getting lawyers involved is essential to MAKE things happen.

 

Twiggy's TED talk on plastic could also help:

His proposal could benefit the underprivileged in undeveloped countries. Those people could collect plastic at tips and streets before it gets into to waterways and oceans. The plastic could then be taken to recycling plants to be converted into oil:

Of course this could also apply to developed countries with plastics that are not so easily recycled.

Ivan 01 wrote:

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Yes lawyers will be similar to scientists.

The lawyers on one side will act for that cause and the ones against,,,,,well we all know who pays for that.

Now lets look how Fair dinkum Australia is when it comes to disposing of plastic waste.

Read this and then tell us all how much those who are destroying us financially and industrially really care for the planet.

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/exclusive-after-much-praised-waste-export-ban-australia-under-fire-shipping-2022-02-28/

-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Wednesday 22nd of June 2022 02:10:59 PM

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Gday Ivan,

 Well the information in that link certainly opened my eyes.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

You couldnt make that crap up, could you. All the HooHaa we are fed every day is just rubbish and pardon the pun.

I found this little pic on the internet which really says it all.

BTW Ivan, I like your new Avatar. 

There's still a lot to do to address plastic waste but at least something IS being done rather than some just whinging about it.

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Turning a blind eye when the situation is not favourable doesnt fix it.

This is a classic example of make a big deal over plastic bags at Colesworths but dont dare mention what happens to the majority of our plastic waste.

BTW Colesworths still have plastic bags for those that want them. The difference between then and now is that now it is another little money maker for them because they charge 25c.

If any of this green save the planet crap was truly fair dinkum, you know what Buzz, none of us would be on here discussing it.

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Like others we used to reuse our free singlet bags as kitchen tidy bags, they changed the rules we now buy a roll of light weight plastic single use bags for kitchen waste, which goes to a bigger bin with another plastic bag as a bin liner.

Who are these clown's over educated fools, who are as dumb as dog $hit, think we are.

Gundog wrote:

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Ivan 01 wrote:

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Turning a blind eye when the situation is not favourable doesnt fix it.

This is a classic example of make a big deal over plastic bags at Colesworths but dont dare mention what happens to the majority of our plastic waste.

BTW Colesworths still have plastic bags for those that want them. The difference between then and now is that now it is another little money maker for them because they charge 25c.

If any of this green save the planet crap was truly fair dinkum, you know what Buzz, none of us would be on here discussing it.

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Like others we used to reuse our free singlet bags as kitchen tidy bags, they changed the rules we now buy a roll of light weight plastic single use bags for kitchen waste, which goes to a bigger bin with another plastic bag as a bin liner.

Who are these clown's over educated fools, who are as dumb as dog $hit, think we are.

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 Maybe it's time to not line everything with plastic. We don't and if there is a smell problem we just wash the offending bin. That would save you money and sending plastic to landfill.

Bring on wheelie bins made from corrugated galvanised iron, pump up tyres to boot.

Or use our precious, expensive water to clean them, or a pressure washer to use less water, but then need an ev to power the mongrel thing. Never ending decisions.

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Bring on wheelie bins made from corrugated galvanised iron, pump up tyres to boot.

Or use our precious, expensive water to clean them, or a pressure washer to use less water, but then need an ev to power the mongrel thing. Never ending decisions.

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 I clean the fourteen 240 litre bins in our block of units every so often, a few buckets of water equal to about 4 toilet flushes & a broom to reach the bottom of the bins. The red & yellow bins are the worst.

It's about the same amount of water I use to clean the car. But with the car I use the car's onboard compressed air water setup at 0.5 litre per minute.