Bunnings, Good Guys and Kmart - smile! You're on camera, permanently....

Mike Harding · Guru

Bunnings, Good Guys and Kmart - smile! You're on camera, permanently....

Gundog · Guru

If it worries you dont go there.

Me I dont have a problem with it

Craig1 · Guru

So wonderful, the world we live in. One more reason not to go to G.... S...d, and the other two never get much out of me, so now even less.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

Gundog wrote:
If it worries you dont go there.
Me I dont have a problem with it

Bylaw, companies are not allowed to take your Biometrics and use them/sell them without your written permission. IT is in the Communications act. It will become and issue, when governments introduce the Social Licensing Point System, like they have in China. If you don't stand up for your rights now, don't complain later, when you haven't got enough points, to be able to leave your home to do anything.

Ivan 01 · Guru

I might paint a face on my bum and drop my dacks and walk in backward.

Gundog · Guru

Bicyclecamper wrote:
Gundog wrote:
If it worries you dont go there.
Me I dont have a problem with it
Bylaw, companies are not allowed to take your Biometrics and use them/sell them without your written permission. IT is in the Communications act. It will become and issue, when governments introduce the Social Licensing Point System, like they have in China. If you don't stand up for your rights now, don't complain later, when you haven't got enough points, to be able to leave your home to do anything.

So how do think that applies to state and local governments who keep install camera's everywhere, I wouldnt mind betting they will have facial rec software at their disposal

The majority of Australians offer their meta data to corporations every day, almost every transaction, web site you visit etc etc is building up a profile on you and there is no way you can stop, unless you turn your phone off and only turn it on when you want to make phone call, use cash only for example.

Whenarewethere · Guru

All our physical shopping we only use cash & we don't have any loyalty cards. Some places it pays off to use cash. One item I bought recently went from $200 to $180.

AndyCap100 · Senior Member

Ha ,i hardly recognise meself some mornings when i look in the mirror so not too worried about that . lol

Whenarewethere · Guru

Ivan 01 wrote:
I might paint a face on my bum and drop my dacks and walk in backward.

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No one will remember you!

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

McDowell is virtually saying that every customer is considered a theif or a threat to the staff, including the children. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Surely if there is an incident the CCTV could be used to find the perpetrators and that's when the police could be involved. Face recognition software used in this manner is a major infringement on people's privacy.

Anyone who says they don't care about this and complain about human rights is a hypocrite.

Ivan 01 · Guru

I thought those with intent to steal wore masks,
Oh hang on, they are the ones who dont want to contract Covid.
Or maybe they are just plain ugly.

WAWT

That would go down well in prison

PeterInSa · Guru

Re Bunnings
Some months ago went to buy a security camera after a weekend ( long weekend?) at Bunnings, no stock queried lack of stock with an employee was told there was a lot of items gone missing over the weekend and they needed to do a stock take. Told me about 1 couple who had got caught taking out their 3rd Bar B Q on the 1 docket from different doors in their main Adelaide store.

To me noway could 1 operator viewing CCTV over multiple locations in the one store significantly reduce theft, they are trying to reduce multiple take outs on the one docket by scanning of receipts by the Bunnings Greeter as you walk out the door. ( Its a bit hap hazard on the stores I've been to)

www.bunnings.com.au/orion-1080p-hd-white-grid-connect-smart-outdoor-security-camera-with-rechargeable-battery_p0333166

dogbox · Guru

the younger generation is already being conditioned to it they put their face on all sort of things starting with face book, tic toc and other places that can add features . when the time comes who ever wants the information it will be readily available with all the relevant information

SoloMC · Senior Member

if anyone is concerned, just wear a mask

Craig1 · Guru

Bunnings meeter and greeter here tend to be very young, in short shorts, work boots, and charged with far too much responsibilty for the presumably low wages.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

I don't have a phone, my camera on my computer, is taped over. I wear a clown mask or sometimes a full face bike helmet, when shopping. I have only been chipped once about the helmet, and it was in Bunnings, but I defended myself, and asked them to ask, the lady in the hijab, whom walked in in front of me to take off her hijab as well. They just let me walk in, have never stopped me since. I don't like my face being videoed or photographed anywhere, but it is everywhere, so I do these things to give me some privacy and rights.

-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Wednesday 15th of June 2022 08:54:21 PM

landy · Guru

Since Covid I always wear a mask in shops and shopping centers so at this stage it is of no concern to me.
It will be interesting though to see how it all plays out.
Landy

Whenarewethere · Guru

Face mask, wrap around sunglasses, asian rice hat.

86GTS · Guru

I've got nothing to hide, I'm a law abiding citizen, they can do what they like.

Dougwe · Chief one feather

Whenarewethere wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
I might paint a face on my bum and drop my dacks and walk in backward.

No one will remember you!

How this forum has changed!

I was instructed to remove an AV I was using 8 years ago that was nowhere as visual as that :(

Whenarewethere · Guru

I am happy for it to be removed. It was an answer with a wry smile.

Ivan 01 · Guru

Dougwe wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
I might paint a face on my bum and drop my dacks and walk in backward.

No one will remember you!

How this forum has changed!
I was instructed to remove an AV I was using 8 years ago that was nowhere as visual as that :(

Hi Dougwe,

I am amazed how tolerant this forum is including politics.

I cant believe that at least one member on here uses this forum as a soapbox for his political views which I will say was worse before the last election and he could intertwine his posts with climate change beliefs.

These posts seem to be quite ok until some other member argues and then it is removed.

A very similar thing happens with weights although weights discussion is not against forum rules.

Nudity, Mmmmm!!

Not much if any moderation until someone messages admin.

Bring back that offending avatar Dougwe, we need a bit of fun on here. biggrin biggrin

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

86GTS wrote:
I've got nothing to hide, I'm a law abiding citizen, they can do what they like.

That's probably what the Uyghurs said.

Ivan 01 · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
86GTS wrote:
I've got nothing to hide, I'm a law abiding citizen, they can do what they like.
That's probably what the Uyghurs said.

Ah China,

Socialism ( communism ) at its best.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

Most of the goods on the shelves in the Big Green Shed come from China.

dogbox · Guru

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deverall11 · Guru

CCTV no problem.
In stores where there is a worrying volume of theft no problem.
At Bunnings though, given one has little choice because of the monopoly they hold
that is absolute BS. At least give us a warning.
Would you volunteer a sample of your DNA as a condition of entry
to one of those shops?
Same s&%t different subject.

smwhiskey · Senior Member

Mike Harding wrote:
It seems these stores are using facial recognition, I wonder how you feel about that?
The Age

When I worked in the Banking industry a few years ago we looked at using facial recognition to automagically display the customers account details on the tellers screen before the customer actually got to the counter.

Firstly we decided it wasn't accurate enough (Customers account only correctly displayed about 50% of the time) and secondly, legal department told us we couldn't legally it without getting consent from the customer to store their image on the system for the purposes of facial recognition.

So I can't understand how these companies are getting away with it.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

smwhiskey wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
It seems these stores are using facial recognition, I wonder how you feel about that?
The Age
When I worked in the Banking industry a few years ago we looked at using facial recognition to automagically display the customers account details on the tellers screen before the customer actually got to the counter.
Firstly we decided it wasn't accurate enough (Customers account only correctly displayed about 50% of the time) and secondly, legal department told us we couldn't legally it without getting consent from the customer to store their image on the system for the purposes of facial recognition.
So I can't understand how these companies are getting away with it.

They have a tiny statement at the very bottom of their conditions of entry that says they are doing face recognition. They also have a statement on their website.

The majority of people don't know that face recognition is being used. It's about time that legislation caught up with technology and addressed these invasions of privacy.

markmack · Veteran Member

So many times while we have been been in the big groceries stores I have seen certain locals that hang in a small group and what they do is straight out stealing.. It is of no use reporting the matter to staff as they say until they leave the shop we cannot prove they are stealing.. Really.. Any products that you pick off the shelves should be placed in a trolley until you reach the checkout point ... Visible until you pay for them.. Then you are allowed to jam the items down the front of your jacket or stash them on the bottom of your pram/pusher.... I have no problems with these people being recognised and photographed and placed on a file so the next time they try to enter the shopping centre they are met at the door by two big guys with band-aids all over their faces , (covering tattoos) who would proceed to turf them back into the carpark... Extreme you say ,well too bad. The cost of them stealing is what's pushing the price of my groceries up and up.. This I have been told by various staff.. Sure I have seen the cameras in the shops and if that is what it takes to catch these thieves, so be it.. Once I saw my photograph on my drivers licence . I knew the gig was up and that the law would be able to identify me whenever I entered a government building or purchased a new phone.. Now off to the shops to buy a new sombrero..

Craig1 · Guru

I wrote to Bunnings yesterday and answered today. Short summary is " we do operate facial recognition, but only store those who we see stealing or abusing staff".
" We do not keep details of normal people ".