Drone Etiquette- is there any ?

86GTS · Guru

Drone Etiquette- is there any ?

landy · Guru

markf wrote:

landy wrote:
Here are some of the rules for flying a drone in Australia https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules Although it is not covered here to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to fly over private property in Australia as the property owner does not own the airspace above their property. Also from what I have read interfering with or shooting down a drone caries serious penalties which are enforced by CASA. There is also no license or registration required if a drone weighs less than 250 grams.
Landy
Private property is covered and the answer is no. From CASA Drone Rules "You must not fly over or above people or in a populous area". "Populous area" is defined as "A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. ". Your drone MUST stay at least 30 metres away from people and populous areas. CASA also mention the various state privacy provisions which you could also be in breach of if you fly a drone over your neighbours place.
Although drones of less than 250 grammes have a lot of the rules relaxed the 30 meter and the populous area rules still apply.

There is plenty of private land in Australia Mark that would not fall inside CASA's definition of a populous area. In fact it would be easy to overfly my property without coming anywhere near 30 meters of my house ( not that I would like it), and not that I am suggesting that you should fly over somebody else's land or infringe on the privacy of others, only that I do not believe there is any blanket law against flying a drone over private land, but I would be very interested if you can link me to one.
Landy

Ivan 01 · Guru

landy wrote:
markf wrote:

landy wrote:
Here are some of the rules for flying a drone in Australia https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules Although it is not covered here to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to fly over private property in Australia as the property owner does not own the airspace above their property. Also from what I have read interfering with or shooting down a drone caries serious penalties which are enforced by CASA. There is also no license or registration required if a drone weighs less than 250 grams.
Landy
Private property is covered and the answer is no. From CASA Drone Rules "You must not fly over or above people or in a populous area". "Populous area" is defined as "A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. ". Your drone MUST stay at least 30 metres away from people and populous areas. CASA also mention the various state privacy provisions which you could also be in breach of if you fly a drone over your neighbours place.
Although drones of less than 250 grammes have a lot of the rules relaxed the 30 meter and the populous area rules still apply.

There is plenty of private land in Australia Mark that would not fall inside CASA's definition of a populous area. In fact it would be easy to overfly my property without coming anywhere near 30 meters of my house ( not that I would like it), and not that I am suggesting that you should fly over somebody else's land or infringe on the privacy of others, only that I do not believe there is any blanket law against flying a drone over private land, but I would be very interested if you can link me to one.
Landy

Landy

From the link in Markfs post

Flying in populous area

You must not fly your drone in a populous area.

A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. If your drone were to fail and fall, it could pose a risk to the life, safety or property of a person in the area.

A crowded beach, a busy road, a sporting event, a concert or wedding are all populous areas.

You can't fly over people at any time no matter how high you fly above them.

Major public events are often policed to make sure the public are safe. Leave your drone at home live in the moment and enjoy these live events.

Many iconic buildings and tourism sites are also located in restricted airspace, making them no-fly areas. For example, Sydney Harbour and surrounding areas.

There cant be much confusion in that,,,,,Can there?

-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Thursday 23rd of June 2022 07:51:48 PM

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Craig1 wrote:
Visted a new water tower site, art work of a great standard at Walla Walla yesterday, and a person was relentlessly flying his drone around and around it. Somehwat spoiled our appreciation of some great art.
Is there any " etiquette " on putting the noisy little beast to rest " while others are around ?, let alone regulations?

Did not want to get into an arguement as it was our wedding anniversary, so just left sooner than otherwise would have.( I know it was a cheap day out)

Got to agree Craig.

We are down here in the Riverina with my family and my daughter had one of those *Parasites with the Perverts Periscope* ( apt description for some) flying it over the houses around her a few weeks ago.

She reported it as did others and the police came out and offered the operator a deal that he could not refuse.

It hasnt happened since apparently.

I was in a caravan park in 2019 in North Qld and a guy had a drone.

He had fun flying it over the park and surrounding houses. The manager received a phone call from a neighbour of the park and he then went and asked the *pilot* to put his toy away. He did so until the next day then he thought he might fly it again but in the other direction.

Well needless to say he was packing up and leaving the park immediately after the managers second visit.

This is typical of most new things being introduced in this country.

Not enough thought goes into anything before it is introduced and then we all suffer through a hotch potch set of rules made up on the run as things get out of hand.

I suppose that those who approve the use of these type of toys actually expect that those that fly them might just use a tiny bit of common sense and even a little bit more of common courtesy.

Apparently this is not the case.

landy · Guru

Ivan 01 wrote:

landy wrote:
markf wrote:

landy wrote:
Here are some of the rules for flying a drone in Australia https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules Although it is not covered here to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to fly over private property in Australia as the property owner does not own the airspace above their property. Also from what I have read interfering with or shooting down a drone caries serious penalties which are enforced by CASA. There is also no license or registration required if a drone weighs less than 250 grams.
Landy
Private property is covered and the answer is no. From CASA Drone Rules "You must not fly over or above people or in a populous area". "Populous area" is defined as "A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. ". Your drone MUST stay at least 30 metres away from people and populous areas. CASA also mention the various state privacy provisions which you could also be in breach of if you fly a drone over your neighbours place.
Although drones of less than 250 grammes have a lot of the rules relaxed the 30 meter and the populous area rules still apply.

There is plenty of private land in Australia Mark that would not fall inside CASA's definition of a populous area. In fact it would be easy to overfly my property without coming anywhere near 30 meters of my house ( not that I would like it), and not that I am suggesting that you should fly over somebody else's land or infringe on the privacy of others, only that I do not believe there is any blanket law against flying a drone over private land, but I would be very interested if you can link me to one.
Landy
Landy
From the link in Markfs post

Flying in populous area
You must not fly your drone in a populous area.
A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. If your drone were to fail and fall, it could pose a risk to the life, safety or property of a person in the area.
A crowded beach, a busy road, a sporting event, a concert or wedding are all populous areas.
You can't fly over people at any time no matter how high you fly above them.
Major public events are often policed to make sure the public are safe. Leave your drone at home live in the moment and enjoy these live events.
Many iconic buildings and tourism sites are also located in restricted airspace, making them no-fly areas. For example, Sydney Harbour and surrounding areas.

There cant be much confusion in that,,,,,Can there?

-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Thursday 23rd of June 2022 07:51:48 PM

I certainly don't find any confusion in that at all Ivan. I own property of a few acre's on its own title that has no dwelling and nobody is living on, are you suggesting this meets the the definition of a populous area ?

-- Edited by landy on Friday 24th of June 2022 10:03:52 AM

Ivan 01 · Guru

Hi Landy,

I personally am not knowledgeable of the laws and regulations regarding operating drones.

I am aware that some of these regs do restrict operation in areas and situations as indicated above.

If I were ask to assess your situation as quoted I would imagine it would be ok to fly a drone on that section of your property.

But, and there always seems to be a but,

If there was a wedding or a celebration of some kind on your land then maybe the restrictions would apply.
I have friends that recently attended the wedding of their daughter and the venue for the ceremony was a very picturesque property on which a drone was permitted to film procedures.
It would pay to check before flying the drone. This would be easy to do when planning a wedding.

The reputable operators of drones would be aware in almost all cases of where and where not you may operate.

It is the drone operators that are making a pest of themselves that are of concern.

-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 24th of June 2022 08:53:56 AM

markf · Senior Member

landy wrote:
markf wrote:

landy wrote:
Here are some of the rules for flying a drone in Australia https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules Although it is not covered here to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal to fly over private property in Australia as the property owner does not own the airspace above their property. Also from what I have read interfering with or shooting down a drone caries serious penalties which are enforced by CASA. There is also no license or registration required if a drone weighs less than 250 grams.
Landy
Private property is covered and the answer is no. From CASA Drone Rules "You must not fly over or above people or in a populous area". "Populous area" is defined as "A populous area is anywhere people are living or gathered for a purpose. ". Your drone MUST stay at least 30 metres away from people and populous areas. CASA also mention the various state privacy provisions which you could also be in breach of if you fly a drone over your neighbours place.
Although drones of less than 250 grammes have a lot of the rules relaxed the 30 meter and the populous area rules still apply.

There is plenty of private land in Australia Mark that would not fall inside CASA's definition of a populous area. In fact it would be easy to overfly my property without coming anywhere near 30 meters of my house ( not that I would like it), and not that I am suggesting that you should fly over somebody else's land or infringe on the privacy of others, only that I do not believe there is any blanket law against flying a drone over private land, but I would be very interested if you can link me to one.
Landy

I don't think that there is a blanket law or regulation. When I did my accreditation it was stressed that as a common courtesy you should always ask the land owner for permission if possible.

I my view the regs come from the wrong direction. Currently the starting premise is that you can fly your drone anywhere except..... My view is that the regs should start with - You can't fly your drone unless..... Drones and the regulation of them are pretty new things and so far what we have can be very confusing.

peter67 · Guru

12ga shotguns deconfuse the issue :)

landy · Guru

peter67 wrote:

12ga shotguns deconfuse the issue :)

Make sure you say cheese for the judge as you squeeze the trigger Pete biggrin

as most drones thees days are not only recording to an SD card in the drone but also transmitting some fairly good Quality video back to the operators device, You could well be on candid camera. biggrin

Landy

-- Edited by landy on Saturday 25th of June 2022 06:35:11 PM

landy · Guru

markf wrote:

I don't think that there is a blanket law or regulation. When I did my accreditation it was stressed that as a common courtesy you should always ask the land owner for permission if possible.
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I agree completely Mark . I am not accredited like you but recently took my sub 250 gram drone to a car club meeting at a local plant nursery. After getting permission from the nursery owner I not only took some aerial photos of the cars but also of some of the members enjoying Coffee and cakes in there beautiful gardens , which the nursery were very pleased to receive copy's of, and are free to use for promotion if they wish. All these things are fine if used with commonsense and consideration for others.
Landy