Ivan 01 wrote:

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Mike Harding wrote:

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From somewhere or other I recall the wise advice of "Don't bite the hand which feeds you."

ABC News

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 What fantastic headlining from our ABC.

Every paragraph in that story could have attracted any other wording of a headline but no, the good old ABC had to turn to denigrate Gina and company.

Unfortunately the ABC we are currently exposed to is not for all the people.

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What? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the reporting in that story. It is completely factual and impartial.

Ivan 01 wrote:

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 our resident self appointed King of Wokes never answers a question with any answer with fact but his response always involves the redefining the words of others to satisfy his dominance. He comes out as snowy white if I may say that on here and all others not so.

Now this is reminding me of others who have chosen to use this forum as a platform for their misguided agenda.
They never answer a question with fact. I wonder why?

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 Ivan, for goodness sake, you resort to name calling at the drop of a hat, & then ask why I choose not to throw facts back at 'facts'. Can't you work it out?

I have no wish to engage in tit for tat childish arguments.

As long as you treat anyone who has a  differing view to yours as an adversary, responding with name calling & personal abuse when they don't see things as you do, you really can't expect to engage at a mature level. You & your cohort here really need to show some respect. 

The approach to me here is beginning to look very much like deliberate harassment. Give it a rest & show respect & then you might expect some worthwhile discussion. I question however if this is what you actually want in  fact I  wonder whether you would really prefer to keep things as they are , intimidating anyone who thinks differently to you, to maintain the enclave you & your buddies have established for yourselves in this little corner of cyberspace.. 

I'm not intimidated, I simply find those who resort to playing the man & not the ball tedious & childish, & not worth the energy required to argue facts.

I will not bow down to personal harrasment & intimidation. Of that I am giving fair warning. I would far rather get along with everyone, but if you (collectively) are unable to tolerate different views to your own & can only resort to bullying tactics in response, then it is clear as to where the problem lies & if that is so & doesn't stop, then there are rules about acceptable behaviour on the forum to refer to.

It is time to cease personal attacks upon forum members. 

DMaxer wrote:

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I think they have displayed a lot of character and principle, especially the women, in what they have done. They would have been fully aware of the financial repercussions if they refused the sponsorship yet still went ahead.

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It's OK! It's OK!

Dmaxer has informed me the "The Society of Socially Conscious and Concerned Lawyers" have agreed that each member will give up their usual purchase of a new BMW this year and support Netball Australia instead.

I knew they couldn't all be bad...?

Ivan, Your reply is more of the same. Why the need for being so adversarial? Why the need to persist with getting personal.

How you choose to view the world is your prerogative, your choice, just as mine is my choice. You are free to disagree with my views, but do so with respect, something which is still lacking.

I try hard not to personalise my response to others, I try to remain respectful. I probably slip sometimes when provoked if I allow myself to get sucked in argument masquerading as debate, but if that happens that it is my failure & I apologise. I would ask that if you cannot at least try to act similarly that you either refrain from your personal attacks on me or you choose not to to respond to anything I post which makes you want to hurl abuse. 

I dont take your bullying persistence as a joke, not even when you try to brush it aside as that .

Just stop treating my posts as something to battle about. Just stop it.

EDIT: You asked why I won't reply with 'facts'. I thought I had already answered that , but I will try again, perhaps if I elaborate a bit more it might help. I said previously that I had no wish to get into tit for tat arguments, & that I didn't have the energy to waste on doing so. If this were a respectful debate, I expect I would find the energy, but I have received nothing from you which even comes close to convincing me that you are the smallest bit interested in anything other than finding further targets for your ammunition.

What I am doing is standing up to your intimidation whilst refusing to give you what you want so you can find other avenues through which to try & prevail.

I'm not interested in the slightest in 'beating you down, but it seems that the same cannot be said about you toward myself.  If you & others were truly interested in why I don't agree with what I consider some of the assertions, inferences & distorted or mistaken interpretations of 'facts' in any thread past, present or or future then the requirement is respect & not getting personal in responses. Until that happens I will continue to say what I think when I choose to in the hope of engaging with others capable of respectful debate, & without the interference of those who resort to abuse. 

This forum used to be quite different in times gone past, but it seems that it has been hijacked by a few. The few whom most probably you have referred to as 'Many of us'. Us being the operative word. I believe that the frequency of disrespectful & abusive quality of posts here not only results in quite a few threads being prematurely closed, but it also prevents others with thoughts & opinions worth sharing from doing so. 

Outside of this forum, on other social media,  I have read a number of references to the 'toxic nature of a small but dominant group' as being the reason why many folk choose to no longer participate here.  There are a large number of forum members & even larger number of grey & not so grey nomads out there. A forum like this should be a large vibrant gathering place which reflects & accepts the views of all without the nastiness which rears it head all too often. Each time I make any attempt to model a respectful way to express a differing view I inevitably end up being accused of precisely the sort of behaviour I am subjected to by those doing the accusing.You may recall my having mentioned that before in another thread when I used the term 'projection'  . I completely reject your accusations of antagonism, being ego driven or wanting to dominate, & suggest that you might do well to understand  that expression of difference is not an  'attack', & thus does not need responding to defensively.

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Ivan, Your reply is nothing more than more of the same. Why the need for being so adversarial? Why the need to persist with getting personal.

How you choose to view the world is your prerogative, your choice, just as mine is my choice. You are free to disagree with my views, but do so with respect, something which is still lacking.

I try hard not to personalise my response to others, I try to remain respectful. I probably slip sometimes when provoked if I allow myself to get sucked in argument masquerading as debate, but if that happens that it is my failure & I apologise. I would ask that if you cannot at least try to act similarly that you either refrain from your personal attacks on me or you choose not to to respond to anything I post which makes you want to hurl abuse. 

I dont take your bullying persistence as a joke, not even when you try to brush it aside as that .

Just stop treating my posts as something to battle about. Just stop it.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 22nd of October 2022 05:02:13 PM

-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 22nd of October 2022 05:04:12 PM

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I think it is time for Sorry Business

You know what Cuppa because of the intensity of your emotions and your willingness to keep naming things that I do wrong that are completely unrelated to the first thing we were originally talking about I can tell you, I am wrong, I am sorry. 

I am wrong with all I do and for who I am at the core of my being.

Can you ever forgive me despite the fact that my views and my asking for forgiveness is really not something I should be asking of your respected self.

I am ashamed yet disappointed  to be a participant on this forum when any comment or question will not be answered by one with so much knowledge and intelligence.

I am ashamed that this conflict has been brought about by my actions. I apologise unreservedly.

I am ashamed that I need to respect your views of wokeness even if I dont agree with those views.

I am ashamed that in many topics I commented first and with no animosity to your good self Cuppa, but you still came on with again with antagonistic comments. The service of rural health comes to mind.

I am deeply sorry that I have in any way embarrassed you or have caused you to feel inferior to others on this forum.

I deeply regret that you choose opinions that are generally in an opposite alignment to mine. God forbid for any to have different thoughts or beliefs.

I am sorry that you feel I should not comment if at first you have spoken. You are the man!

I have been so silly to assume that my comment would deserve any ones attention or sensible reply.

Lastly I am sorry for the forum members who will only have a one sided view imbalanced by your very need to dominate every situation that you are in.

Cuppa

You make a lot of noise but you have no answers.

What!

Oh no! you actually edited comments made to me about me but now no one can see what you said.

Well how convenient.

Now no one on here will know what you wrote.

Maybe we could ask the moderator to reinstate the post that we can all see your pathetic request.

 Yes I see what you have done. Once again Cuppa you win.You are the man.

I will just let you in on something and that is if I ever see the need to comment I will first take a screenshot of the content in the future.

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rgren2 wrote:

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A quote cannot be altered unless you are a moderator.

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 Maybe Cuppa is a moderator.

He openly said he edited his post.

Nah he couldnt be a moderator because I am still a member..

He has been gunning for me since the health service post.

I dont think he liked it when I gave an example of what can really happen in rural areas.

dorian wrote:

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Ivan 01 wrote:

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Mike Harding wrote:

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From somewhere or other I recall the wise advice of "Don't bite the hand which feeds you."

ABC News

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 What fantastic headlining from our ABC.

Every paragraph in that story could have attracted any other wording of a headline but no, the good old ABC had to turn to denigrate Gina and company.

Unfortunately the ABC we are currently exposed to is not for all the people.

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What? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the reporting in that story. It is completely factual and impartial.

 

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 Hi Dorian 

A less aggressive headline could have been written considering as I believe their sponsor ship will remain for a few months to help them them out.

Should they now change there name from the diamonds seeing that the the stone has been explored and mined by Ginas Dad.

They could be now called the plastics but even that is a petro chemical.

They will be hard pressed to find a sponsor that doesnt use something that is not mined by Gina and can cover the 7 million that they are already in debt.

Good luck to the them

Ivan 01 wrote:

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He has been gunning for me since the health service post.

I dont think he liked it when I gave an example of what can really happen in rural areas.

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 Wrong, I (& my wife) were quite moved by the horrendous stuff you found yourself going through. Not something I would wish upon anyone.(Now we have the reason for the way you have been responding to me. Attack as the best means of defence. You think I've been gunning for you. Now I begin to understand.

What I didn't like was when you seemed to be using my post on 'Crohns on the road' to 'have a go' after your mate got himself kicked off the forum & for which you blamed me because it was I who reported his post. On the issue of transparency again, I told the forum what I had done. I could have kept it to myself & no-one would have been any the wiser...... but I don't operate like that, any more than I would go 'gunning' for anyone.  In this thread the gunning came from you. We hadn't interacted on this thread at all until you made your 'King of the Wokes post. It wasn't needed. It was having a personal go, nothing else. 

If you are able to take on board that I am not gunning for you personally perhaps the nastiness could end. 

The only thing I am gunning for, if you can call it that , is that anyone should be able to post what they think without being attacked for it. If it is controversial then respectful but robust discussion should be the order of the day & personal attacks should form no part of that. Once the man is played instead of the ball, the game changes. 

For clarity I did not edit any quote, I edited my post ..... by adding to it as can be seen by scrolling back to it. 

Cuppa in my opinion if I were to step out of line you would have me removed.

Your intent was obvious in the post where a good member was removed.
He is not my mate as you stated the only time I have had anything to do with him was on this forum.
You ignored a comment in a post almost immediately above the removed member where a bloke made a very similar derogatory comment about Mr Grants makeup.
Thet post was since removed probably by admin but I dont know.
You were after me as well that night until another member came on and advised me to back off.
You were being extremely provocative toward me and even maybe others.
I have only bought this up so your comments may now have the reflection of some content of the actual truth.

Both guys that night made what the pub test would pass as a joke but you decided to single one out as being derogatory to aboriginals.
My post was not how you dealt with your illness but about how you rose up to tell everyone reading your post that they could go blindly off into the sunset as they will get better medical in the country / rural than in the cities.

That was what my first post was about but your bombastic must be correct, believe me I am the boss attitude, was foolhardy and dangerous for anyone who had not yet travelled to read and believe that to be true.
To provide the members the real side of how it can be I reluctantly explained my personal situation in anNEW TOPIC.

You have no sympathy for me Cuppa and I want none from you. In fact it is me that feels sorry for you.
You gunning for me has nothing to do with a member unknown to both of us being removed or my topic on my health issues. What it has to do with is that your personality has no room for you not being the boss in all aspects of your life.

I am surprised you offer sympathy to me although I do question the placement of your concern in this topic rather than the topic I had started to list the problems which can be experienced.

It certainly reads better here as you once again come riding out on the white horse.

Yes notifying the entire forum is very noble of you.

It becomes a *look at me, look at me* situation where you are showing everyone who is boss.
That is what you are about.
Even your stated career was you advising others but they were always the underlings as you were being paid to be correct. You were the boss. What you said, went.

I have an acquaintance who used to be a great friend. We were mates for about 10 years all through his bankruptcy and recovery. I bent over backwards to help him as did others and now that he is out of his personal bother he has treated both me and other friends with the same contempt as what I see on here.
I was so upset I sought the advice off a Psychologist and after I had explained the situation, her comments were so true.
I found it eerily disturbing that she explained just what he was doing a saying with such accuracy.
She said his mask did not to be on any more and he needed to be the boss of everyone he knew. Shame really because he has lost some good friends.
My acquaintance has a personality disorder.
Since my personal experience with this bloke I can now become very wary of how the disorder works.
She put me in the direction of some publications to read so that it may help me to understand and the little study that I did made me very aware of those who must continue on until they win.
You dont want me or anyone in a forum replying in the negative to any of your posts. Any member can see that if they read back.

The topic title suits you a tea, Cuppa. Pardon the pun.

So you win Cuppa just let it go.

Cuppa: for a family therapist you certainly know how to sow discord.