Is it time for vehicle PINs?

Mein · Senior Member

Is it time for vehicle PINs?

rgren2 · Guru

Then a quick knife to the throat of the owner of the vehicle. To me this seems to be an invitation to assault rather than a sneaky house break.

Mike Harding · Guru

I'd say they have a social/cultural problem... not a technical one.

Possum3 · Guru

For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing.

No need for violent attack to get your vehicle.

The current breed of low life scumbags are too dumb to spend $100 (better spent on two hits of meth) and will bash/smash/kill for an old Holden Commodore.

Professional thieves targeting high-end vehicles on the other hand will have your vehicle in a container sometime before it is missed.

Mike Harding · Guru

Possum3 wrote:
For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing..

That was the case some years ago Possum but then "code hopping" systems were introduced which change the code every time the remote is used, the algorithm to do this is rather complex but it does eliminate "code grabbers".

Best one I heard of was a stolen Porsche; they backed a tow truck up to it, tipped a few litres of oil in front of the car then used a hoist to drag it onto the tow truck. Off to the workshop and sort out the immobilizer there :)

Bicyclecamper · Guru

Even though my car is not a sort after vehicle to thieve, and has it's own antitheft stuff built in, I fitted my own engine immobilizer in an unique place , and do so every time I buy a new vehicle as added protection.

watsea · Guru

On a previous vehicle, a Commodore, that had a key ignition, I had a hidden fuel cut-off switch. It detered one perpetrator when a daughter was using the vehicle. The vehicle was still in its parking spot, but with some minor damage to the key lock.

Mein · Senior Member

Then a quick knife to the throat of the owner of the vehicle. To me this seems to be an invitation to assault rather than a sneaky house break.

I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.

For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing.

Vehicles needing a PIN in addition to a key with an embedded 'computer chip' that sends a static or changing code would overcome this problem.

Best one I heard of was a stolen Porsche; they backed a tow truck up to it, tipped a few litres of oil in front of the car then used a hoist to drag it onto the tow truck. Off to the workshop and sort out the immobilizer there :)

Many years ago, I had a brand new motorcycle tolen and the theft was witnessed by a neighbour. A ute pulled up, 3 men got out and lifted the bike onto the back of the ute. A neighbour challenged them and they said they were from the bike shop. They said the bike was under warranty, the owner (me) reported that the bike wouldn't start and they needed to take it back it back to the workshop to find out what was wrong with it. In the circumstances, the neighbour didn't bother noting the ute's registration number.

I fitted my own engine immobilizer in an unique place AND I had a hidden fuel cut-off switch

Same principle! A means of immobilizing the vehicle in addition to and independent of the ignition key.

Whenarewethere · Guru

On my Peugeot 504 I installed a keyed one way valve on the clutch hydraulic line. Press the clutch once & it was disengaged permanently.

I suppose one could break the lock but with hydraulic fluid everywhere the clutch still won't work.

rgren2 · Guru

I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.

That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.

Cupie · Guru

My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.

Possum3 · Guru

Mein wrote:
I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.

There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target. There are many "carjacking" of SUV,s in WA.

Whilst I am unfamiliar with crime statistics in other States, I imagine that there are similar occurrences and particular vehicles of choice.

yobarr · Guru

Cupie wrote:
My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.

Only people who understand what a great car they are. Cheers

Kebbin · Guru

There needs to be some serious work done to come up with solutions with the youth in these towns, they need to be inspired to work with others to dig their way out of this problem.
The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.

Mein · Senior Member

That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.

and

There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target.

I bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge.

Weary of Answering Numerous Kinds of Enquiries, Roger Sighed!

mixo · Senior Member

what a waste of time. A long time ago, I owned a VL calais turbo, what a car.I put in extra alarm sensors, go near it, it would go off.

Well, one night my sister took her friends to the Palais theatre in St.kilda. When she got out the car was gone.No broken glass, with no evidence of foul play.

Police said it was probably on the back of a tray to a chop shop.

If someone wants your car, you got buckleys of keeping it.

mixo

-- Edited by mixo on Thursday 5th of January 2023 08:43:06 PM

Sarco Harris · Senior Member

These days, don't want your car stolen, buy a manual, not an auto.

dogbox · Guru

Cupie wrote:

My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.

they are worth more as spare parts

rgren2 · Guru

Mein wrote:
That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.
and
There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target.
I bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge.
Weary of Answering Numerous Kinds of Enquiries, Roger Sighed!

There is nothing wrong with coming up with ideas. Crims will always find ways to circumvent them.

smwhiskey · Senior Member

Mein wrote:
Is it time for vehicle PINs?

2 things jump to mind.

1. Lets add more cost to to the price of cars. Might only cost a small amount to produce the unit but we all know that the manufacturers will charge like a wounded bull for it.

2. If you've ever had an immobiliser unit fail its not a particularly fun experience. Last thing I would want to happen in my 4WD when I'm some distance away from help.

Simon

peter67 · Guru

Kebbin wrote:
There needs to be some serious work done to come up with solutions with the youth in these towns, they need to be inspired to work with others to dig their way out of this problem.
The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.

I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.

smwhiskey · Senior Member

peter67 wrote:
Kebbin wrote:
There needs to be some serious work done to come up with solutions with the youth in these towns, they need to be inspired to work with others to dig their way out of this problem.
The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.
I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.

National Service?

dorian · Guru

peter67 wrote:
I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.

Only if it's a rotan.

Whenarewethere · Guru

A separate remote control to deflate tyres.

Derek Barnes · Senior Member

Just one more password to have to remember! No thanks! What about a semi intelligent camera system which recognises the face of any approved driver and only lets those people start the car, and also looks out for people doing damage to or stealing the whole car on a tow truck! If we are going to get self drive cars soon they should easily have the technology to do the above features now.