Any Poms about?

rmoor · Senior Member

Any Poms about?

rmoor · Senior Member

On a different note, but on the subject of dumb cricketers.
England are whinging no end about the weather in their own country of robbing them of the ashes.
When in fact it was just a very dumb captain who really would be lucky to skipper an ordinary second XI.
When he declared in the first test with Roots on 118 NOT OUT and two wickets in hand, he gave away a massive advantage.
As a captain, you should never give a sucker an even break.
History then proved his decision dumb as dogp** and they lost that test and the opportunity for what could have been a draw and the series 1 - 1 going into the 5th.
I was never a fan of Stokes either and I think there is some pretty heavy proof in the pudding there.
I thought at the time - he declared? That is dumb?
Then he bagged us out for the Carey incident and very next day was in a boundary rope controversy that he SHOULD have known as an experienced cricketer what the call should have been then. So much for good sportsmanship and fair play eh?
Not a fan, and if he is the best leader they can come up with, then the ashes will be with us for a very long time

deverall11 · Guru

rmoor wrote:
On a different note, but on the subject of dumb cricketers.
England are whinging no end about the weather in their own country of robbing them of the ashes.
When in fact it was just a very dumb captain who really would be lucky to skipper an ordinary second XI.
When he declared in the first test with Roots on 118 NOT OUT and two wickets in hand, he gave away a massive advantage.
As a captain, you should never give a sucker an even break.
History then proved his decision dumb as dogp** and they lost that test and the opportunity for what could have been a draw and the series 1 - 1 going into the 5th.
I was never a fan of Stokes either and I think there is some pretty heavy proof in the pudding there.
I thought at the time - he declared? That is dumb?
Then he bagged us out for the Carey incident and very next day was in a boundary rope controversy that he SHOULD have known as an experienced cricketer what the call should have been then. So much for good sportsmanship and fair play eh?
Not a fan, and if he is the best leader they can come up with, then the ashes will be with us for a very long time

X2. Couldn't agree more. Ben Stokes as well as being an A$$hole he's a thug and seriously stupid. He allowed his team to bat on, perhaps

wanting Bairstow to get a ton, but in doing lost valuable time and the weather came. Then boofhead blames unfair play? Really?

You lost because you're stupid. No mention about the last Ashes Test in Australia when the Poms forced a draw by not playing the ball.

Anyway you look at it, the rules are that Australia won. If you don't like it, change the rules - don't whinge.

rmoor · Senior Member

Yes. Agree. The poms with their arrogance and big headed beliefs in this stupid Bazball are seriously over-rating themselves.
They are whinging about the rain, Australia's performance etc but have not looked at their own massive failures.
There has been a lot of flack thrown at a talented young player in Carey when, what he did was harsh, but also FULLY WITHIN THE RULES.
Unlike the Stokes boundary rope incident.
The other dumb as dog$^&%& effort was Bairstow in "that" incident.
He was out due to sheer arrogance and bland stupidity.
Bad luck Dumbo, you probably just cost your team the test match !!!!
I am not a big fan of some in the Australian team but they are a far better bunch of blokes as a whole than this mob of misfits and severely over-rated pack the pommies have thrown at us.
Robinson's spray to Khawaja was lowlife stuff.
The make up of the Aussie team in two days time will be of interest.
The poor young off-spinner looked down in the dumps on the odd TV shot of him.
He could well miss out again and maybe js not ready for a ashes test at this stage of his career.
He is a bit of a dart bowler and that probably plays into the poms current style and method.
Of course Mr Cricket - Warner will be selected and his chances of him being successful are about the same as me winning lotto.
So that I believe gets the batting order off to a poor start again and a risk of another loss.
Honestly, I would be playing Murphy and introducing him at the "right" time, dropping Warner and opening with Green who can leave well and plays straight.
But again, the chances of that combination are the same as us winning powerball.
I hope we finish 3 - 1, even for the sake of just silencing that pack of whingers.

deverall11 · Guru

rmoor wrote:
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Honestly, I would be playing Murphy and introducing him at the "right" time, dropping Warner and opening with Green who can leave well and plays straight.
But again, the chances of that combination are the same as us winning powerball.
I hope we finish 3 - 1, even for the sake of just silencing that pack of whingers.

Yes, bad choice not having a spinner. Lots of wickets went to the pommie spinners.

Agree, the spray from Robinson was uncalled for, the excuse was pathetic and it reeked of 'I'm better then you Mr Pakistani' sentiment.

Guess just like I witnessed when I moved from NSW to WA, poms in WA really think they are better then the Aussies.

Not only do they talk down at you, they also talk to you in a condescending manner. Mind you the majority I was unfortunate

enough to encounter are soccer thugs that the Brits probably don't want anyway.

rmoor · Senior Member

Yep, a lot of the abuse hurled by the crowds at the Aussies sounded a bit like their soccer thugs and I know what I would like to do with that bugle......

rmoor · Senior Member

Not a lot of banter before the fifth test commencing tonight.
Looks like we need some controversy, the odd controversial event to spark up some comments!!!
Bit of rain about for a few days but we should see a result.
I have backed the poms to win in a multi all up into a few short priced NRL and AFL clashes.
Not much, just an interest.
I am on the verge of contacting those anti punting advertisers to tell them where they can stick their TV adverts.
I like a little flutter, I can control my whims, and enjoy having an interest in the races, sport etc.
Who funds those clowns to advertise after every betting advert? I hope I am not as a 50 year taxpayer?
There are too many %$#@^*&'s around these days to tell us how to think, how to act, how to vote, what terms to use etc etc etc.
Pretty keen to tell them what I REALLY think

Fairly well along the lines of what one likes to tell those dudes who ring up trying to scam one, they get short shriff.
I love it when I am in the local butcher shop and some clown rings him to scam him for some internet scam or whatever when he is in the middle of preparing lamb cutlets and has to get to the phone and answer that cr*p.
The resultant language would scare a police horse.......

Craig1 · Guru

Aussies had slightly the better of the day me thinks, but again let their tail wag.

Is 26 a failure for an opener ? ( far more than I would have got anyway )

-- Edited by Craig1 on Friday 28th of July 2023 08:57:34 AM

deverall11 · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
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Is 26 a failure for an opener ? ( far more than I would have got anyway )

-- Edited by Craig1 on Friday 28th of July 2023 08:57:34 AM

Absolutely. I like you would not have got perhaps even one run, however I am not a professional

cricketer being paid a whole lot of money. Warner useless as usual. Problem is a$$holes like him,

through selfishness and self serving behaviour deny a young player from coming through. His failure

at getting the captaincy is further proof that he is nothing more then an egotistical maniac hungry

for easy money.

Guess he probably needs the income to sustain his lavish lifestyle. Further more what kind of a job can

an ignoramus like him get. Sanitiser officer????

Warner, accept you are a has been and retire gracefully.

rmoor · Senior Member

deverall11.
Think you summed that up fairly well.
Selfishness comes to mind.
There was something wrong with Warner and the mood behind the stumps seemed to be "wrong" last night.
He didn't seem his usual chatty annoying self?
Then he uncharacteristically dropped a crucial catch to let his team down once again.
I wondered if someone has been in his ear - his last test maybe?
Then once dismissed instead of that stupid smile he chatted to himself.
Something going on there - obviously.
Maybe a significantly heavy dose of guilt.
Broad must be dirty on Woakes for knicking his bunny.
Appears Warner is now a shared bunny.
At least the spinner got a bit of a go and proved he is worthy.
Bit difficult having a captain in the fast bowlers club.
As to success or failure I think 40 is a good gauge.
40 is a disappointment for a batsman as a very good player said to me once if you can make 30, you can make 50, make 50, you can make a hundred.
As an opener if he has scored 40 he has taken the shine off the ball and could be 1 for 80 or 100.
20 is not on top and 30, he has made an error somewhere.
It also depends on the circumstances, I have made a 41 not out in a low scoring wet wicket grand final win and a innings top score of 39 in another tight, bowler dominated grand final win was possibly one of my most satisfying crucial fighting innings.
24 is a failure but at least some sort of a start, not ideal but better than the first over dismissals he was poking around for previously eh?

Magnarc · Guru

If I hear another rendition of Jerusalem in the next five years it will be too soon. I wonder if DMaxer recorded it?????

DMaxer · Guru

I quite like the trumpet playing and the singing. Gives the place a nice atmosphere and the Aussie players like it as it covers up the noise of sandpaper grinding on leather. Why do you all criticise Davey after all he owns most of the players. One little interview and about seven or eight players from this team are stood down and CA would be financially ruined. I wonder what the deal was. Perhaps something along the lines of keep your mouth shut and play for as long as you like me thinks. How good is that Harry Brooks.

Bobdown · Guru

Harry Brooks was dropped on zero, Dmaxer.

Apart from the few dramas, I think it's been an intriguing Ashes series, pretty evenly matched. smile

Craig1 · Guru

If I am ever near that trumpeter he will be breathing through a new position.

rgren2 · Guru

This thread appears to be composed of members of a fan club. biggrin biggrin biggrin

rmoor · Senior Member

Too funny.
Yep, wouldn't like to pull the barrier draw next to that goose with the trumpet.
Same result with me.
At least he can belt out a bit of a tune though unlike the mob when the team from asia are playing here.
They are worse with that bl**dy hooter thing.
One of my traveling goals is to attend a day/night test at Adelaide.
There are two teams I WILL NOT be watching, the noisy Poms and that other noisy bad sports mob.
A man would end up in the police box for performing the same function you mentioned Craig.
So that leaves me with Pakistan, NZ, S.A. or Sri LANKA, wouldn't be able to cope with a team that rhymes with the latter.
Something strange must have been in the water with Smith last night, he went from a great fighting innings to a Kamikaze pilot?
THAT run out was intriguing, a pommie commentator spent 50 minutes in the van watching replays with 2 ex test captains and they mentioned some cr#& about middle stump.
Here I am thinking all the time, doesn't the benefit of the doubt go to the batsman?
Typical bumbling effort from Bairstow, possibly the most over-rated cricketer I have ever seen along with Greg Matthews.
One of my team mates from the Vic selection trials in March this year got a mention during the commentary.
He is with the Aust over 60's over there and guessing the pommie beer is getting a workout.
Nearly fell off the lounge when he rated a mention. Although I knew he would have Emu'd into the right rooms while watching the tests.
Gee there were some exceptionally talented batsman at those over 60's and 70's England selection trials a few months ago.
Some players have never "lost it", just a bit slower between the wickets.
The test is poised tonight, but I just had a little nibble on the poms again all up a couple of footy matches for some weekend interest.

DMaxer · Guru

I don't know what amuses me more on this forum. The general ignorance of the commentary or the big noting and name dropping by one of the posters.

The trumpeter you are referring to is Simon Finch, a very accomplished player who took over from Billy Cooper. Just for your personal edification, the Barmy Army are extremely welcomed guests throughout the world. In the 25 years since they set up as a supporter base group, they have raised over $1,000,000 which has been distributed throughout charities all over the world. Care to name me an Australian supporters group who has done anything like that. The silence is deafening. All this brave talk about what you would do if you were next to Simon Finch just demonstrates even further your pig ignorance. The group that travels in the Barmy Army include some really heavy types, ex SAS, in their fan base group. You annoying or threatening any of them when they are supporting their team would result in your head being inserted in an area which you usually would rely upon for sitting. Given that a few of you talk out of that area it probably wouldn't make any difference, just give it more a stereophonic sound I imagine.

I have met a lot of the people in the BA at various cricket grounds in both the UK and here in Oz and they are great people. They can laugh at themselves, talk with anybody and are welcomed where ever they go. Their knowledge of cricket and the players is amazing. They travel world wide, learn and respect the local customs and engage with everyone.

On the day following the sad death of Pat Cummin's mother, the BA were attending a test in NZ. They stood up and observed silence whilst Simon Finch played Maria, Pat's mother's first name. Pat Cummins and his family thanked the group for their tribute. Care to tell me what happened here with the support groups, That's right, nuthin.

Care to name me an Ozzie group that has this following and respect. Now cue Magnarc to tell me to live overseas.

As for Harry Brooks being dropped on zero. Only three players have scored as many innings over fifty in their first twelve or so tests as young Harry. Bert Sutcliffe, Everton Weekes and young Harry. Explain that one if he is no good.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 29th of July 2023 03:51:18 PM

rmoor · Senior Member

Each to their own.
Some of the treatment afforded to Carey whilst playing within the rules was a bit poor from the general English crowd.
Also I guess if one has rubbed shoulders and played with and against some great players then they are at liberty to relate that.
For those who haven't, then they can dream about it then.

DMaxer · Guru

We are in no position to criticise the behaviour of English or in fact any overseas crowds. Clive Lloyds book reveals the treatment he and his team received from Aussie players and crowds during the 1970s. It certainly changed regarding the players when Holding, Marshall and co came on the scene. This Aussie team are great at dishing it out but fall apart when they get it back. How good was the cricket last night. Just belted them.

Magnarc · Guru

DMaxer wrote;"

Care to name me an Ozzie group that has this following and respect. Now cue Magnarc to tell me to live overseas.

Well, that remark certainly made an impression since you have chosen to repeat it. Good to hear that you have taken it on board.

deverall11 · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
If I am ever near that trumpeter he will be breathing through a new position.

X2. Cannot begin to imagine how annoying that would be.

Dmaxer, nothing to do with the good work the BA does. Just the annoyance of having some

clown playing with his trumpet.

BA can still do all their good work without the trumpet.

Craig1 · Guru

"Dmaxer, nothing to do with the good work the BA does. Just the annoyance of having some

clown playing with his trumpet.

BA can still do all their good work without the trumpet."

That sums it up

There was only one Victor Trumper, dont need a pale noisy imitation making bad noises.

Having said that, we were well walloped last night.

DMaxer · Guru

When you are at the ground as opposed to watching it on the TV, it is really entertaining. The BA book out a large section and there can be anywhere up to a few thousand of them going full blast with the singing and the trumpet and it is entertaining. They are not all blokes, there are some cracking looking women amongst them. If you listen to the lyrics of the songs they are really funny and witty.

I remember one of the times I met up with them was when I was in Brisbane to see an Ashes test a few years back. There was a large contingent of them in a beer garden after the match and they had just been absolutely belted by the Aussies. It didn't stop this mob though. They just had a few beers, laughed and told everyone what was on the agenda for the next few days. They mixed happily with anyone who cared to join them for a chat, explained the lyrics of the songs and agonised how woeful their own team were. There is no violence or no yobbo behaviour as anything untoward results in you being booted out of the group. It is well run and heavily patronised as it is known throughout the world as a fun group that not only supports their own team, no matter what, but organises fund raisers for selected charities in whichever country they are visiting. The pub where I met them were giving them half priced or free drinks because of the patronage they attracted, that is how popular they are.

Just enjoy them. They aren't hurting anyone, except for a few thin skins who don't like losing or hearing the truth about some of their own players. I remember the late, great, Warnie speaking about the BA. He reckoned they were hilarious and would stand near the boundary and laugh his head off at the songs about him. He reckoned that the only players who didn't enjoy them were the ones who had not had a song written about them and therefore didn't warrant a mention.

rmoor · Senior Member

I haven't read Clive Lloyd's book I must admit.
My late father took me to many test matches at the SCG and he was a big fan of Clive Lloyd.
I was only a kid but I cannot recall one instance of any crowd cr*p thrown at the West Indies from 69/70???
In fact I have a lasting memory of the din from the crowd when Wes Hall foot hit the turf as he came out to bat.
The place exploded. I was in shock.
The only din close to that was when that legend Dougy Walters foot hit the turf when his turn came.
The Aussie crowds I saw loved the West Indies, tho, I was not at any other ground and have not read the book.
"Supercat" had a stint with my club before I ventured from the bush for a crack.
Supercat T-shirts were all through the club still and team mates told some wonderful stories about the man.
I am a little surprised Clive Lloyd had negative views on Australians?
Also, in terms of fundraising and doing good for the community I thought the McGrath Foundation do a pretty good job?
Our mob at home bust a gut every year to do our bit and contribute a little on McGrath day.
None of us have ever asked for any thanks or kudos though, always been happy to be just quiet achievers and not "trumpet" it all over the joint.

DMaxer · Guru

It was the tour in the seventies when Thomson and Lillee gave it to them. There is a really good doco on the internet that covers it. Easily found with Google and is a good watch. I only found out about BA charity work when reading about them. They never mention it but others do.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 31st of July 2023 09:02:29 AM

dorian · Guru

Trumpets are bad, but vuvuzelas are much worse.

DMaxer · Guru

I think these Poms might be a little bit shrewd. In the 38 overs bowled to the Aussies, a total of 24 were bowled by Anderson, Root and Moeen. anderson has had a disappointing series by his standards and this may well be his last test. Root is a second stringer and Moeen has an injury. I think the red headed bloke has saved up Wood, Broad and Woakes for the last day barrage. If the Aussies lose a couple of quick wickets then they may decide to shut up shop and play for the draw giving them a 2/1 series win. Whebn teams decide to take attacking shots out of the equation it leads to a ring of fielders, bowlers bowling at the stumps knowing they won't get hit and general panic.

If they lose two or three tomorrow morning it may well be a long day. I think the weather forecast might have a say in how it finishes.

Craig1 · Guru

ah, but what about Davey's career saving inning so far ??

rmoor · Senior Member

Yes. It is not over yet either.
Warner and especially Khawaja could be hard to remove.
Kicking myself.
Worked all Sunday assisting with a golf green construction.
Was going to put a free bonus bet I had on Warner to make 50+ !!!!
Got busy and just didn't get an opportunity.
The cricket was one over into it when I was finally freed up yesterday and missed the opportunity.
Was thinking that he could "fire" this time.
Last match, last dig. That would be right.
All of this test I was casting my mind back to Graeme Wood the opener from W.A. that was adept at running Rick Darling out regularly.
Wood would be fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, 100.
Which ensured his selection for the next couple of tests.
Warner could repeat that even though he looks jaded but if he gets away and survives 4 or 6 overs or so it could be lookout.
The big issue tonight will be the weather and the overhead conditions.
I really don't think Aust can go 3 - 1, history proves other wise.
The only thing in our favour is the flat wicket.
The Poms have probably soiled their own nest by requesting roads all series. Warner likes roads also.
It could/may have backfired on them?
The other issue could affect the Poms tonight is picking dad's army.
Moin Ali and a few fast bowlers older than Olde Father Time himself almost.
Ali had a skinned finger, came in green, then broke down again.
They got little or no value out of him, would have been been better off picking Neville Nobody half his age.
The one thing could go against the poms tonight is no quality left arm spinner, just a half useful part timer.
Wood doesn't look the goods once he runs out of petrol after a test or two.
Will be an interesting nights play with precipitation and clouds probably determining the result.
If they do get into our batting order early it could be over in three hours or so as the middle order can be very brittle.
Almost need Khawaja to bat all day, if they get him early, could be curtains.

DMaxer · Guru

With that summary I guess whatever the result you can say you predicted it, rmoor.

I reckon it is a win for the Poms. The only thing that could prevent that from happening is the rain washing it out. I have seen this movie several times before and I know how it ends.

I don't think the Poms have ordered up a road as we do in Oz. Both sides have to bat on it and the Aussies won the toss and decided to bowl first. Unless the Aussie captain is blind and a dunce, then it must have something happening.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 31st of July 2023 02:16:52 PM