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I recall an event a mate of mine told me about many years ago.
His father was a traveling rep for one of the major beer brands.
He visited Bourke a few times and found the town was being laid to ransom by a house full of local recidivists who were wrecking the local businesses with constant break ins and theft.
Significant damages and loss of stock. The local law was either powerless, useless or both.
On a return visit he dropped into one pub and asked the publican how the crime rate was going.
He said it stopped abruptly.
Two large tattooed men and a bikie like woman booked a room in his pub on a Friday. They left on Sunday. They did not come down to the bar at any time. The young woman would pick up drinks and three meals and return them to the room.
After the Saturday night reports came out about half a dozen "known to police" criminals that were known to be wrecking the towns's business sector for several months had their share house entered about 3 a.m. by two big heavily armed men.
The local hospital then admitted about half a dozen men with multiple broken arms and legs and knees destroyed forever by iron bars being wielded.
No more crime in the main street.
The three people paid their bill and left quietly on the Sunday morning.
It is apparent a private meeting was called for the towns business people and they each kicked the can for several thousand dollars to cater for some rodent control.
I believe a similar thing happened at Narromine a few years later also.
I DO Not condone violence and have never partaken in such an act, but I can fully understand the frustration of hard-working people seeing their livelihoods they have worked long hard hours to build being wrecked virtually overnight by ferals.
At the end of the day, if people push the envelope too hard, too often, there is eventually a response.
We reap what we sow.

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 At the High School that I attended many moons ago there was a teacher who was very handy with using a cane. Boys were made to bend over while he whipped their rears so hard that often blood was drawn. Not surprisingly, there were almost no repeat offenders. Just saying.

I think you will find that using corporal punishment to stop a few schoolboys from talking in class or throwing spit balls is a bit different to preventing a troubled youth from turning into a recidivist.

I know we all had first hand experience of walking 20 miles to school each day, being flogged unmercifully each night by our father, never straying from the straight and narrow and all ending up perfect examples of humanity, but some kids aren't as fortunate to have that background and so end up in crime.

 

I was flogged mercilessly with the cane at school and deserved every bit of it.
Like many my age then, one was a mongrel of a kid, but the cane certainly made one think twice before being lured into another fire cracker attack being mounted on a school bin or the like.
Many years ago we battled to buy our first home, our son was very young then, we were working hard, a typical young decent Aussie family in our first home.
The neighbour died and his son moved in with a couple of ferals in tow. Our lives became hell. I hate the song Achy, Breaky Heart, as they played that all night long and my wife soon became stricken with her migraine issues and could no longer sleep and lived in fear of the Ass****es next door giving us hell. My wife's family were extremely difficult people to deal with (Dutch) and I got the blame and also they took it the wrong way when I bought a rifle. It got so bad with these Schitzo idiots next door, my wife could not function or go to work and she and I ended up separating (turned out to be about 3 months but caused significant bad blood with my inlaws forever). The police were virtually powerless to deal with these people and they were well known to police and threatened just about every resident in our street.
A great mate of mine, now deceased, was a tough bloke and in a job where he carried a handgun every night in his security role. He came to see me one day concerned about how we were going, I told him we had decided to sell our house and move. He questioned why we should suffer and the b's next door "win" (again). He then asked me if I wanted to "do in" the main offender next door. I asked what he meant and he said the bloke would never walk or chew again. I then asked who the other 3 mates were with him to perform this act. I mentioned a few big footy mates names, no, they were 3 copper mates of his/ours who hated the idiots next door with a passion as the courts continually let them off and the coppers had enough and knew how much damage it was doing to a decent family like ours. I cannot recall if I spoke to my wife about it, I to seem to recall I did, I asked my mate to give me some time to think about it.
I thought about it - at length, it was a big life decision. I decided not to have the neighbour "done over". Many would have I suppose? My mate was very disappointed, we were close mates and he wanted to help in a way he felt he could. My reasoning was - Two wrongs don't make a right, what if it went to Sh*t and they killed him and it all came out, we are all then criminals and no better than the ferals, what if the ferals find out and we cop retribution and puts my son and wife at an even greater risk. It could have made things significantly worse.
I look back over the years and still have occasional nightmares about it. Still believe it was the right decision though. I still wake in fright 40 years on, nightmares and also dreams of me shooting those b*sards myself. I went close to shooting them I can tellya. We were innocent victims in the wrong place at the wrong time
We sold the house, and then rented, it hurt us greatly, both financially and mentally. My B'stard inlaws had plotted behind my back and took my wife and child from me. We re-united soon after as it was all "wrong".
I made the right decision in the end, don't worry, I thought long and hard about it. I had already told my father in law if the mongrel next door bashed in our front door with an axe (and capable of it) I would shoot him immediately to protect my family.
This may in part explain my strong beliefs about crime and criminals and my attitude, but I think you have to have lived through hardship to really know what hardship is.

Who is everyone. What facts are you relying upon.

I wish now I hadn't posted that thread about a bad experience my family encountered from around 30 years ago.
Haven't been able to get it out of my head since and it has caused a lot of depression in me for hours since.
Up until today I hadn't thought about that awful time in life for some time?
I now make the point about the impact crime has on we victims. I feel we are always the forgotten part of the argument.
In my now depressed state since I recalled the lot and also recalled I read in the local Dubbo paper about two years after our problems with a criminal A***hole there was a story on him.
He was committed to a high security Sydney prison.
I still recall the newspaper article well and part of it read that he held a knife to the throat of a woman and said "God forgive me for what I am about to do". There was also more to it that I cannot recall, but it wasn't good. He was as mad as a hatter.
She also must still have nightmares as the rest of us do from the acts of this creature. How do some poor women try and recover their lives after a sexual assault or a rape. Our issues 30 years+ ago pale into comparison to what some other victims suffer. The law is an ass. The penalties do not fit the crimes.
I think he got 4 or 5 years for that.
I reckon the young lady victim would have thought I made the wrong decision. If he had been done over years earlier, she may have been spared a lifetime of nightmares herself.
Didn't ever hear a thing about him in the years following or anything since? Did enquire in a few places but he wasn't heard from again.
Reckon he would have been one of those creatures who would have done time real bad in Long Bay and Silverwater.
I often hoped I would hear someone had cut his throat in there, I hope they did. Awful disgraceful creature. That is what he would have deserved in my opinion.
So, anyone defending the actions of criminals or a softly, softly approach with them gets my back up.

rmoor wrote:

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"There is never any attempt to make amends or do anything to rectify it. That just makes me grumpier certainly doesn't appease me."


That is why I believe ALL parents should be required by law to pay SIGNIFICANT compensation to victims of their kids actions if caught and convicted. One needs a licence to drive a car, qualifications to perform many working roles, but no training or qualifications to be a parent and a responsible one at that. Many of these parents were delinquent themselves and wouldn't give a rats what damage they do to others. That is why I reckon in this day and age of DNA and cameras a home invasion on some little old lady, now scarred for life from a violent home invasion with her car stolen and burned out, who in turn gets nothing by way of compensation for the mental torture or the need for a new car with insurance excess costs and loss on disposal etc should be suitably compensated by at least 20 grand plus !!!!

I reckon once the feral families get wind of that or a hear of a relative has to kick the can for 20 or 30 grand for their mongrel kid stealing and burning my new car, then the rest of them would soon arc up and have a completely different attitude to the actions of their little lovelies.

It is highly likely that Queensland could see a change of government due to the spineless mob they have in there now letting youth run riot for the last year or more. How would you like to be a shop owner in Alice Springs. No thanks, I have scratched Alice Springs and Townsville off my visiting list. I would suggest others add Dubbo to their drive thru list as well.

Sure, retain the education programs and the like and continue with monitoring bad behaviour. We didn't get any of that, all we got was a kick up the Ar$e from the local police sergeant for rocking the school librarian's tin roof and a very strong warning of what was coming next if we did similar again. We all quickly retired from our fledgling life of crime. My old man also gave me a thrashing for having to put up with an hour long earbashing from said school teacher when we all got lined up to visit and apologize. My fathers words and the words of my mate's father "Panther" are still ringing in my ears what our punishment would be if our respective father's had to put up with that again !!!!

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in a lot of cases the parent's hands are tied if they try to enforce rules/behavior standards, the kick up the ass so to speak could result in more punishment for the parent if the authorities where to become involved.

it all comes back to " rights without responsiblity"

IMHO Violence is not the way to go either.

i never got to appear in front of any "woke" (whatever that means) magistrates or judges. They were tough and certainly weren't fooled. Sob stories are not admissible in submissions by the way. 

When someone may receive a sentence that the uninformed think may be lenient, then there is a reason why. If a court hands down a sentence that is inadequate the the prosecution appeals and a court in a higher jurisdiction rehears the sentence and acts accordingly.

General whinging from lazy police about having their hands tied is total crap. They don't run the prosecution, the DPP does. The police are just witnesses for the prosecution so how do they know what the outcome is going to be.

Anyhow, I am done on this subject. It is called law and has evolved over hundreds and hundreds of years.  You armchair experts can solve it all with beatings and gaol time and bankrupting parents. Leave me out of it as I feel another attack of ilithiophobia coming on.

DMaxer said;

Leave me out of it as I feel another attack of ilithiophobia coming on.

Let us hope that you get better soon.

-- Edited by Magnarc on Sunday 21st of January 2024 12:17:27 PM

Ilithiophobia - a strong and persistent intolerance of stupidity....my my.

Clearly, currently no one, absolutely NO ONE has a solution that will resolve the issue, so in my view lets go with a damn good "flogging" of all perpetrators of crime until someone can come up with something that will definitely work better. My opinion.
And for heinous crimes, the death penalty, yes, I know it's proven not to be a deterrent but, they certainly won't ever repeat their wicked actions.

Clearly a course in remedial reading and interpretation could be of significant benefit for a few of the posters on this topic.

Perhaps one of you geniuses could point to anything I have written condoning the behaviour of criminal youths or advocating that they go unpunished.

I have just stated what the law is regarding sentencing and how it is applied. From that, out come the hand wringers, the lynching party and the perpetually outraged society to launch their attacks.

If your wonderful suggestions have so much merit perhaps you could illustrate by listing a few civilised countries where your suggestions have been implemented and are a roaring success.

Saudi Arabia or perhaps Singapore or China spring to mind?