Thorium/Salt reactor  power plants are the only way to go, less waste issues, within 150 years the waste is safe.

-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Saturday 3rd of May 2025 10:56:49 AM

Bicyclecamper wrote:

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Finally nuclear is dead for good.

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with so many counties using nuclear power for their electrical power needs it is not dead, just not available in this country.

if people think wind farms and solar are the answer they should look at the damage these things do to the environment for a very limited life span.

we think we can save the world by banning nuclear power, and coal fired power stations while the rest of the world burns our coal(and gas) by the ship load

You can argue all you like, but it will never happen.
NIMBY will ensure that.
Since 1970 there has been attempts to establish a National depository for LOW LEVEL waste (line smoke detectors and medical stuff).
55 years later, we still have not got one.
Cheers,
Peter

Australia is the odd one out. It's a wonder that all those other countries don't realise that the sky is falling.

Peter, you cherry picked one country that aligns with your agenda. I did not need to cherry pick.

Plans for nuclear reactors worldwide

"About 30 countries are considering, planning or starting nuclear power programmes."

See the table in that link for the list of 65 nuclear reactors under construction, and 85 planned or proposed. They are on top of the 440 already in use.

 

Are We Lost wrote:

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Peter, you cherry picked one country that aligns with your agenda. I did not need to cherry pick.

Plans for nuclear reactors worldwide

"About 30 countries are considering, planning or starting nuclear power programmes."

See the table in that link for the list of 65 nuclear reactors under construction, and 85 planned or proposed. They are on top of the 440 already in use.

 

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 How many of that 66 are in developed western countries?

No need to cherry pick them :)

Cheers,

Peter

The real value of Snowy 2 is to store excess solar generated energy for later use (350,000mWh, although its generation capacity is also significant (2,200mW).

Rooftop solar is NEW generation capacity. Ours at home is now just over 10 years old. We have no battery. Our bills for the last 10 years are about ZERO.

Rooftop solar now accounts for 11.2 per cent of Australias electricity supply, according to the Clean Energy Councils new Rooftop Solar and Storage Report, published today.

The sheer scale and pace of rooftop solar in Australia is unparalleled anywhere else in the world, due to an abundance of sunshine and the inherent benefits including lower energy bills and feed-in tariffs, he said.

Last year saw 2.9 GW of new capacity installed from 314,507 units, marking the second-biggest year for the uptake of rooftop solar, solidifying its position as the second-largest source of renewable generation and the fourth-largest source of all electricity generation in Australia.

More than three million Australians understand that their rooftop solar systems are providing them with substantial savings, greater value and peace of mind.

The recent announcement by the Federal Government of the $1 billion Solar Sunshot manufacturing support program is a positive sign for future progress, as we leverage world-leading research and innovation to make more solar products right here in Australia.

Fifty-seven thousand behind-the-meter batteries were also installed in 2023. When combined with the future uptake of behind-the-meter batteries, households have even more to gain, all the while supporting Australias timely transition to a renewable energy future.

It is clear that now is the time to back home batteries, build on their growing popularity among households and write the next chapter of Australias solar success story, Hristodoulidis said.

This is why the Clean Energy Council has led calls for a national Home Battery Saver Program of up to $6500 per household to provide more Australians with cost-of-living relief and the added flexibility of storing, using and trading lower-cost electricity generated at home, tailored to their needs.

Key statistics from the Rooftop Solar and Storage H2 2023 Report:

Collectively, rooftop solar is now the second largest source of renewable electricity generation in Australia (behind wind energy generation), and the fourth largest source of electricity generation, providing approximately 11.2 per cent of the countrys power supply.
2023 saw rooftop photovoltaic (PV) installations surpassed a total of 20 GW installed capacity in Australia.
With 970 MW of new rooftop solar systems installed in 2023, New South Wales broke the record for the highest annual installed capacity of any state ever recorded.
The total number of rooftop solar installations in Queensland surpassed the one million mark, the first state to do so.
Fifty-seven thousand behind-the-meter batteries were installed in 2023.

Cheers,

Peter

I think that the result of the election says quite clearly that the Australian voting population does not want nuclear power.

Too slow, too expensive, too much risk.

For less than the cost of nuclear, every single house in Australia could have solar and batteries. Just getting rid of Germanies old nuclear reactors is costing many many billions.

Besides, as I said before......

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

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You can argue all you like, but it will never happen.
NIMBY will ensure that.
Since 1970 there has been attempts to establish a National depository for LOW LEVEL waste (like smoke detectors and medical stuff).
55 years later, we still have not got one.
Cheers,
Peter

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Cheers,

Peter

The election was not about nuclear energy. To Australias detriment, voters went with what's in it for me rather than whats best for our long term prospects.

I'm with you Peter

Yep, its always better to have issues decided by governments whose only motive is to get reelected, not make smart/tough decisions. Not!

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

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You can argue all you like, but it will never happen.
NIMBY will ensure that.
Since 1970 there has been attempts to establish a National depository for LOW LEVEL waste (line smoke detectors and medical stuff).
55 years later, we still have not got one.
Cheers,
Peter

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I was sceptical of the nuclear plan.
40 years was too way off and I am not a fan of nuclear waste.

One fear that is surfacing locally is that only about 38 Billion has so far been spent on a projected total cost of renewables of 600+ Billion.
If only about 10 % of our local landscape in our region is covered by solar and wind, then we are in great fear of all our prime farming paddocks just becoming a futuristic eyesore.
There have been community meetings opposing a new one to be built on the Windora side of Geurie NSW on prime farming land.
Local communities are starting to rise up against these eyesores now dotting our landscape.

The problem is, and there is no government direction or legislation on this other than go at breakneck speed to build these ugly things.
It is probably an opportunity for a full season of "Utopia".

The major issue is these overseas countries teams that build these things just blow in, build one and rack off overseas again with millions in profits from our taxpayers and electricity users dollars.
They have NO CONCERNS whatsover about the local residents, the countryside, the ecology or ruining our first class grazing and cropping paddocks.

They don't build these things on rotten, rocky, non arable lands, they build them on soft loamy paddocks because they are too lazy and too profit focussed to build them on non-prime lands where they SHOULD be built.

Mind you, there are some benefits for those farmers who pick up the usual 18 grand per annum for each wind turbine on their land, assisting cash flow in drought times.
But is also doesn't take into consideration the degradation of our once great rural lands and what happens, and the huge costs involved when these things hit their effective life of about 25 years. Then they will have to renew the renewables again.

One wonders what the Grey Nomads of the future will think when their nice country drive to our region and others is not lined by paddocks, cattle grazing and eucalyptus trees, but a never ending line of ugly shining glass structures?